<___< I'm going to let alt respond for most of that. since he knows and i don't. but i kind of figured that the idea of the vow was to do his best to love. which isn't really changed by the little details... which is what i was referring to.

well... i know that this is me making a blanket statement about something which i understand to be fairly rigorously debated even now, but i'd say that it's not necessarily about whether we agree with one another.

nor is it even about the merits of alternate interpretations upon comparison.

Instead, maybe we should be more... appreciating the value of our own interpretations of what Alt is sharing with us, instead of explaning them to one another. they're things that thrive in darkness, they only get tarnished in the sunlight.

it's just a thought.

so here's mine, i guess.

i found this striking. i'll admit that i can be something of an idealist sometimes, so it kinda struck a chord?

...

'They are not meaningless
Because I give them meaning
I have no authority
But here,
hold my hand
I will let you know
I am real
You are real'

particularly struck my... mind.

*sigh* -__-;

Just a tad bit too literal, but that's okay. I'm living my life for two goals:

1.) To make the world a better place.
2.) To share everything I have with someone else, or at least share as much as she wants.

Number 1 comes before number 2. As a matter of fact, as long as I get number 1 done, number 2 doesn't have to be done. But if I do number 2, I HAVE to do number 1. For the longest time I thought it could only be one or the other, but I've learned and realized that I would love to share the praise from my good deeds with whoever I choose to love. Worse comes to worse I could just give myself a pat on the back a few moment before I die, and as long as my help is still apparent once I pass away, then I'll die happy. But not fulfilled. I want someone to let me know, that what I've done is good. I want a hug of triumph from someone I love VERY dearly. Then I will die fulfilled. The ideal of the person is important, because it let's me keep in focus what I want. The person is more important than the ideal, but it does not invalidate the ideal. I will (hopefully) find someone who gives just as much love back to me as I give to her. We will have our ups and downs, but we will be ultimately happy. I have a dream girl in mind, one that I could write a million poems about. But I don't expect to find the perfect girl, I'll find one with as many variables filled out as I can, and work towards perfect with her, we will both grow into the dream we have of a spouse. I'm a romantic though, I really am and it shows. I'm also an idealist and I know that a lot of what I shoot for will blow up in my face, but that doesn't matter. It matters that I tried, that I won some and that I lost some. Ultimately I learned and I tried. I want to run to the rescue of every fallen girl I see, but I know I can't. So when I finally do go down to pick up a girl from depression, I want to raise her to the highest mountains of happiness. The trick to keeping women is treating them like queens. But they don't want to be treated like queens by a pauper, they need a king. This is a vow, because I will live my life for others. One thing to keep in mind about this writing is that I'm not speaking to one person the entire time. I just mesh all the people together using You. This is my vow to all humans, but it rings extra true for the one I someday will love.

I read Altoecko's post from 7:21 PM today.

((notes: if you read something and don't reply. you don't need to post that you read it. because that's just as good as not replying at all.))

I'm going to be honest here, that is a very disappointing response.

Actually, I think my post was better than not replying because it was an indication that I read the response (i.e. that I am listening just like my very first post) but that I wasn't going to argue it any further as I hit the point that my arguments would have been likely considered by others (although not necessarily Altoecko) unnecessary criticisms.

Although I understand that people shouldn't post without further comment when they read something in general (because of the excessive posts), this was meant to Altoecko to be (in RPG terms) a "...".

Who edited my post?
What more feedback would you like Altoecko?

I edited. Sorry if you don't like I do that instead of making a new post about it since it's sort of off topic.



^ now something like this you could have said. just saying you read something is.. slightly confusing. and mostly just, contentless.

... hmm. as far as this goes with Bo and Alto, i'd point to this being one of the main reasons to keep such discussions of belief systems and the analysis of motives, which are not really even relevant to the intent of this forum, to the PM system.

i'd suggest that the same holds true of the moderation, here. this thread and this forum is about appreciating what Alto wrote. i personally find it disappointing that it has turned into this, even if Alto doesn't mind.

please, could we possibly consider moving this kind of conversation to private messaging in future, once it becomes sufficiently deviated?
there would be many advantages to doing so, after all; you'd be able to talk things through more thoroughly, and the actual threads would remain accessible to the other members. IMO, this one really isn't about what Alto has written, anymore. i find that to be a shame.

@sumisem
I don't care that my post was edited, but I think whenever someone edits a post, they should always indicate who is doing the editing. Unless it is impossible that someone else can edit my post other than you, my opinion is that you should sign your edit.

@Regal
1. You only have a limited amount of save space for PM.

2. Why isn't this thread still accessible to other members unless you are talking about PM's in which case how are they accessible to other members?

3. What is the intent of 'creativity+++'. Everyone can still read Altoecko's original posted work. But if it is about feedback, that is what I am doing.

4. I cannot possible understand how anyone can consider this not really be about what Alto wrote (other than everyone getting off topic to say it is off topic). I have been discussing the content of the creative work with the author. What more do you want? Is this only about 'positive' feedback. Even in a case where we are to encourage others, I think Altoecko is the type of person that wants real criticism. If I am wrong about that, sorry, but if I am right are you saying that he is not allowed that kind of feedback, but only "nice job" and that is it? I have been trying to learn the boundaries here, but this time "please".