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Relative to what standard?



A-According to that logic, unless actual physical damage is done to the child, it would be OK to fondle them as they would have no memory of it.

B-Says “whoâ€

Because you look at everything on the surface. What I mean is, you look at my words and take it like that. I'm not going to be so f*cking detail oriented just for you. READ INTO WHAT THE f*ck I'M SAYING. Stop having us explain everything and use your head to read between the lines. You seem to be somewhat educated, use the f*cking brain God gave you to understand the CONCEPT, not just upfront idea that is presented. You constantly have to argue over points that arent even necessarily argue worthy. Besides, most people can read what I'm saying and understand the concept. You, on the otherhand, choose not to read into what people say and have people explain it. I'm not going to do the work for you. And in any case, you don't seem to understand my point at all.

Judging from the title and not reading any part of it from laziness. I thought this was a discussion about tit sizes. But I can clearly see thats wrong.

I do not agree with A. Even if a child has no memory of being fondled, the arousal of the sex organs even at an age of a baby can take place. And can lead to a very unhealthy adult hood. I am speaking from a pure medical stand point.

*shrug*
My mother was a 'hippie, to just go with a popular term, and subscribed to a Native American practice of sweat lodges, which are done in the nude, by a group of individuals, regardless of form.
I can't say I've been scarred from it, it seemed natural.

If female breasts have a function, then I would say they're certainly less sexually inclined than male nipples.
The only thing that has ever been done with a male nipple so far as I can see is sucking or tweaking.

On that basis, I do not really agree with you at all, Kratos.

from the other topic:



actually i've done that >____> well it was duct tape.. or me-fix tape. in dance we do that so as not to wear bras under costumes because its visible on stage and stuff.... etc.. yeah.. ^___^


aaand... i'm pretty sure anythign sexual is about the feeling around the experience. people can have the problems kratos mentioned in letter C if they get abused at any age - 3 or 30. same as can have problems if it's consensual... *shrug* depending on the person id say.

Yeah, but there's a diffrence between that and...

There is nothing wrong with any nudity at any age for anybody.

Except when it's illegal.

But apart form that, Nudity is a Wonderful Thing! There is nothing morally wrong with children seeing the Human Body!

I feel we create Perverts by covering these things up! By denying them all until a certain age, we ignore the fact that different people develop at different rates. Some are ready far earlier than the law allows, others far later.

I just can't agree with the idea that children are not to know about genitalia until they turn 18 and suddenly sprout them! (OK - Breasts are not genitalia... But I like the phrase better with that word, so it stays!).

Well, if you take into account laws in general, if you don't have them, people can't break them, thus it can create a corrupted society. However, we wouldn't see it as corrupted because we'd have no laws to stop it. If we had none of that type of censoring or covering up or whatever, sure it would seem natural, but that's because nothing stops us. And that is what we call an anarchy.

"Tis a Far, FAR, way from Nudity to Anarchy!

Laws change when people realize how stupid they are!

Let's hope the laws governing Clothing go away Real Soon!

The stupid people will break the laws regardless.

Laws, Kratos, only deserve to be followed when both practical and sensical.

To disavow logic is the actual route to anarchy, not necessarily the disavowing of laws.

What do you think to this theory:

Let's say nudity became legal. And lets say that the majority of everyone paticipated in it. With all that going around, don't you think it may be possible to kind of kill the romantic side of sex?

Just think about it for a second. Lets say that before the law you were scoring this hot chick that you've never seen nude. Isn't there going to be a little extra spark the first time you see her without clothes?

Nudist... well, it's nothing new. Well, I mean I know that intercourse is going to be much enjoyed, but I still think that some of it will be deluted.





And girls gone wild would go out of business as you couldn't talk a girl into flashing you if she has not top to take off...

... yeah, i don't think that's the point, though. no-one's advocating that we enforce nudity, it's more like wondering why being clothed has to be such a strictly-enforced norm.

or something, next time i'll stop to think before i type. hell, maybe i'll even stop to read. ^_^

I will no longer partcipate in any opinionated debates, since I seem to be the dumbest person in here.

*shrug*
I don't know why us sharing our opinions makes your opinions dumb, but whatever, I suppose.

And, well, Lantis, it depends on whether your enjoy the thought of f*cking a woman to being around her as a person.

Laws are more like strong suggestions backed up by enforcement.. they basically just say what you can get away with and what the police can get away with beating you up for .... natural laws, like gravity. now that's a law.

and i'm thinking the whole clothes thing has a lot to do with.. like.. being warm and stuff. and less vulnerable to things like bushes and rocks and junk. sort of practical application really. but maybe i'm just soft..

Because it's obvious that any time he tries to make an intelligent post, he gets shot down by three different people. What's the point of speaking if nobody listens?

IGNORE THIS LONG BORING POST IF YOU CARE ABOUT TOPLESSNESS


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I really do agree. i hope you enjoy the hypocrisy, inaccuracy, and general worthlessness of the following post. even if KA is opinionated and all, a lot of the time some of you guys make a habit of shooting him (though not just him, shooting one another is the order of the day WAY too often, maybe) down. possibly he rushes in, but of course it's not just him, is it?

this place is so full of one-upmanship it's nauseating.

seriously.

"And, well, Lantis, it depends on whether your enjoy the thought of f*cking a woman to being around her as a person."

oh, really suave. because that's what he said, wasn't it?

"Laws, Kratos, only deserve to be followed when both practical and sensical.

To disavow logic is the actual route to anarchy, not necessarily the disavowing of laws."

i might be mishearing here, but did you not just state that as fact?

it's not fact. it's opinion, and while this forum is certainly the right place for expressing an opinion, is there ever a right place for that kind of pushy attitude?

sure, he's pushy too. maybe he shouldn't be complaining if that's the way he's gonna act in here, he was just as dogmatic as you were.

It gets personal when members invest too much in their views. seriously, we're having a conversation about f*cking semi-nudity, and i'm already hearing people taking personal affront, and dealing out what are basically veiled insults on all manner of basically only tangentially related grounds.

And honestly... when it gets personal, it gets... just distressing.

there is no point in speaking if you're just gonna be dismissed by someone else playing dictator.

*sigh* but now i'm really making too much of this.[/spoiler]

It's a simple matter of that when I state my opinion, you guys have to use your fanciful language and your supposed knowledge to shoot down my opinion as if it's wrong. Opinions aren't and can't be wrong. They can be misguided or misinformed, but never wrong. You treat me as an intellectual inferior because I don't focus on all that political, social bullsh*t that everyone focuses on these days. So what if people want to look good before taking their clothes off in public? So what if parents and society want to cover breasts? It's a matter of opinion why it happens to be that way and it's a matter or personal judgment to prevent children from seeing it. If you don't like my opinion, fine, you don't have to. But to treat me like I'm intellectually inferior or like I don't know anything is just you trying to pretend that you're better than me. I don't give a f*ck if you are. If you want to be so god damn smart, why not make actual use of it instead of arguing the sh*t on a message board? That seems to be a better use of time, yes?