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PostPosted: February 26th, 2007, 9:17 am 
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Especially in Help topics, if people come in and misspell damn near every other word, it's quite hard to understand.

On the level of speaking another language, damn-near. And that's what a lot of people don't get.

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Personally, I think that there's been so much misspelling already, that we just generally adapt to it. Most of this is due to leet were misspelling is encouraged.

And though I may be guilty of it, myself... I try to make it rather obvious that I am, indeed, doing it on purpose for whatever reason.

But overall... I'd agree that online grammar pretty much blows.

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i actually spell words differently to you guyz anyway ^^

i uze esses inztead of zedz.

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Also, you use honour instead of honor. :P ^

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and colour instead of color.. because it's RIGHT and you people are all just LAZY!!! i mean geez, its only one extra letter.

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because you don't say 'dun' instead of don't, do you?

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What about punctuation and capitalization? Those seem to be relics of old...

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last time i looked, this thread was about spelling. stay on topic.

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siafad...

At least I can... well no, not really. I can't spell worth a damn. I guess that leads to a question as to weither we include typos as to actual misspelling.

Now, before you say anything. I know that a typo and natrually spelling something wrong is still misspelling in general... but a typo is understood to be incorrect by the person doing the typing, while someone who just think that spelling a word wrong will do it all day long.

I dunno... I have a plethora of typos on a daily basis... so I guess I can't be one to talk.

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And yet most of us can still understand what is said. As much is said about how difficult and odd the English language is to other people, at least it's fault tolerant. Like this sentence
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Hi, enve thgouh all teh wrods aer seplled icorrenctly, can you sltil udsternand me?

Sadly it's probably easier to read than a lot of the things uttered on the internet. Just something interesting I found on my quest to learn another language (Japanese).

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actually, someone posted a survey about that on here a while back. the gist of it was that if you leave the first and last letters the same, you can jumble all the other ones up and people will still recognise and even read the words normally.

you're right, though. it really is interesting ^^


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I actually have that image somewhere...

*rumages*

Okay... so maybe I don't. But I found a section of it:

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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

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I actually have that image somewhere...

*rumages*

Okay... so maybe I don't. But I found a section of it:

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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

That was intrestnig. A bit annoying, but true and intersting.

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English is not my mother language. In fact, I've only been learning it for 6 years.

If I mispell something, or throw some latinization here or there, heh, my mistake, sorry. Correct me if you want to, I even appreciate that. ^^

Example: Right now I've got no idea whether "mispell" is written with one or two Ss, if "latinization" even exists in english, if "appreciate" has got two Ps and if "exist" does or not have an H somewhere. Meh.

By the way, I speak in a weird mix of England's and USA's english. That you gotta accept. ^^ I've been taught England's english at school but the whole world speaks the USA one...


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... two 's's, no, two 'p's and there's no 'h'.

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i was amused that your schools teach English english.


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That's because we have all the nukes :), and were the only country with the stones to use them (as an aside, something I don't really agree with). Why else would English be the most spoken language (or at least the official one in most international affairs), not sure how French became number two though. Plus being American is hip, and ironically enough also very frowned upon (look at the impact we had on Japan, and they're still pretty isolationist when it comes to everything). Whereas being British is meh (no offense John/Regale [ironic he uses the American English spelling of the word EDIT: nm apparently that's a completely different word, and a verb]), though apparently having a British accent makes you sexier, or something, whereas having an American accent just makes you a tourist.
Disclaimer: The preceding were all sweeping generalizations, and may not even be correct generalizations. So yeah.

Oh and don't worry about misspelling, tons of native English speakers do it all the time (most of us use spellcheck to cover up our misspellings [it really does work wonders]). Latinization is not technically a word, but could definitely be used as a marketing term. Appreciate however is spelled correctly (because Firefox did not underline it in red for me :)).

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It's true I agree. It can be very hard to understand someone if there spelling is really bad.

We should never make fun of people who can't spell.

I know I suck at spelling. Now that I have fire fox, it underlines all the words for me in red now. So even now as I type on the mag it will tell me if I misspelled it.
So I have a choice. I can either try to find out how the world is really spelled, or I can find an easy way of saying something.

I know when I was in grade school, they give you books that teach you how to spell. I was kinda a problem child from the start. But not for long. I was very hipper before I was 7. I did not want to listen to anyone. I was the kid that went to school kicking and screaming. I DON'T WANT TO GO! YOU BRING ME HERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T LOVE ME! WHY DO YOU GET TO STAY HOME? AND I'M STUCK COMING HERE!!
So by the time middle/Jr. high came around.. The whole spelling learning thing was done. They really don't go over spelling after that. I know. Because I asked. Theres
more to learn at school then spelling. I also asked if someone could stay after school with me. But everyone had more important things to do.

So now that I'm older, I pay the price of not being a good speller.

I don't think people should be made fun of if they have a spelling problem. I know a lot of people do. And I know this is not what this topic is really about. But I'm telling you why I have a hard time spelling. :/

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English is not my mother language. In fact, I've only been learning it for 6 years.

If I mispell something, or throw some latinization here or there, heh, my mistake, sorry. Correct me if you want to, I even appreciate that. ^^

Example: Right now I've got no idea whether "mispell" is written with one or two Ss, if "latinization" even exists in english, if "appreciate" has got two Ps and if "exist" does or not have an H somewhere. Meh.

I'm the same situation as you, and even if its not my native language, I have had contact with English since I was born. :lol, the double s p and c's confuse me, you can usually trust that I will put one letter where there should be 2, and vice-versa.
I might put and s where a t should be too, special if the syllable is "tion"

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@ TTC - the american english spelling of which word?

'Regal' is a word over here, you know. spelt just like that.

>_>

also, TTC, i'm fairly sure that the majority of etymologists would disagree with you on that explanation of why English is so widely used as a primary and secondary language.

the generally accepted explanation is that English spread so widely because so many countries used to be owned by us. the British (back when we had an empire and people actually cared about the size of your navy and stuff). You didn't spread the language, and certainly not by happening to have a large amount of nuclear weapons and the crass idiocy to threaten to use them whenever provoked. or whatever you choose to call it ^_^ (note that i'm in no way anti-american, i just have this thing about people treating cold warfare like it's a battle of wills. it's not. it's the threat of holocaust cause a whole lot of people are too scared to grow up. unfortunately, that fear is international).

... 'your' language is 'our' language, and it was spread across the globe by 'us'. countries like America and Australia now have 'their' own versions of the language from 'UK english', mostly because it's 'their' primary language. secondary languages develop slower and are easier to influence.

*kills sweeping generalisations*

i honestly don't care that much about the propriety. i'm not a patriot. my country sucks. i think that etymology is kinda cool. i don't think it matters whose versions of what words we use.

but i felt like posting despite all that. so i did.

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Man I thought I was Mr. Literal :P. People keep stealing my title dammit.

Also there was an EDIT in there, as I had mistakenly thought Regale = Regal, but that is not the case, though their meanings are somewhat related.

regal wrote:
1 : of, relating to, or suitable for a king
2 : of notable excellence or magnificence : SPLENDID

regale wrote:
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1 : to entertain sumptuously : feast with delicacies
2 : to give pleasure or amusement to <regaled>
noun
1 : a sumptuous feast
2 : a choice piece especially of food

Amazing what one letter can do.

But yes colonization is what spread the major languages, and yeah the British created English, but we made it better and more modern :). Though of course by 'we' I mean 'us', considering actual Americans are a dying race (well except Latinos, and all those South Americans).

I still just wish everyone would use one language, dammit, and choose it in a totally unbiased way *cough*English*cough*. There are way too many of them. Then we can finally finish that damn tower (though I guess it would be much bigger today, given how God decided the clouds was a little too close to earth, so it would likely be a figurative tower between dimensions, or something like that). Seriously though, cause learning new languages is hard, and takes years to actually master another one, and then you start forgetting some of your own (while oddly learning more about it, since you begin to learn about languages in general). I wish they were as easy to learn as a programming language, those only take me a week or so to learn, then maybe a few months to master (because their rules are unforgiving, and strict, well with the exception of HTML, but look what happened because of that).

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