But your wrong.. We do care. We care a lot about people who die at war. The ones who say the things like, "they should have not been greedy and stuff.. There not the family's of the ones who died.

Its the family's mother, father, wife and child who feels the pain.

And a lot of us feel bad for the animals because we have pets of our own. The idea of our own pet dieing in that way makes us sad or mad for torture.

And none of us would ever want to feel that torture our selves.

People who torture are either sick in the head. Or for what ever reason don't understand what it feels like to be tortured.

Really? Does the public really care that people died or were slaughtered? We only care when it's someone important or famous and has big bucks.

Some people care. But its mostly the family's.

Some people care but the general public don't care. Its like when a normal person dies only some care. If a celeb dies thats when anonymous people who never met the person starts to care or cry. But if that animal cruelty happened in our country, well they would be in jail for a very long time.

I stopped when I saw them kick that small crammed cage off the truck onto the concrete. Do American livestock even get treated that badly?

Do I want to click on Lantis's link?

Who are you talking about? I sure wouldn't say anything like that. If I don't know about such-and-such getting killed like that, I won't care, because I don't know about it. But once I do know, I'll care.

Wow, that's just...a really disturbing view.I mean animals should be cared, not to be tortured.

Really Kratos, you're just heartless...but well you got a little point, if we care to much though then we could even be vegetarians because we don't want the little animals to be slaughtered and eaten by us.

If we go around caring about anything that we kill to eat... man, soon even veggies will be cornered. After all, plants are living being too.

"Plants are my friends! Say no to the pointless tree slaughter!"

Argh.

Vut my point is better explained over there in the other topic.

plants don't have nerves. which i think is the point.

hell, they don't even have consciousness.

or at least, no-one sane has said that they do ^_^

It's not the slaughtering that bothers me, it's the treatment recieved while they're still alive.

Someone said once that apes are perfectly consious, have an intelligent mind and could speak and have their own thoughts if they wanted to. But they keep quiet so that mankind doesn't enslave them or does something cruel.

The theory is a tad bit crazy, but perhaps plants are on that too ^^

i had a buddy once who said that trees could talk, it's just that they never do.

seriously. O_o

Agreed, I think that was the whole point of that film.

And if you still don't understand you missed the whole point.

Ever see pee wee adventure?




And heres the dance he does after to win all the bikers hearts..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GWbb03raxI

The point I'm making here.. "Just" killing is not enough for some people.
Some just want to drag it out.

PeeWee's Adventure is for people who like guys that wank off in public.

If you're not into torture, then b*tch about the damn radical muslims and terrorists and sh*t over in Iraq. Hell, throughout the whole world. Prison guards and whatnot torture people every day. Even though the prisoners did bad things to end up there, do they deserve long, arduous punishment? Think about that.

Well, we are not in Iraq. At least I'm not.

And I'd like to think that the people who do torture are the scum of the earth. They are a lower barbaric race of people. And we have laws for those such crimes.

Yes but not all torture related crimes are reported. There is still torture going on right here in the U.S. Child abuse ect, are still going on. Animal cruelty is just as bad. But in my opinion human cruelty is much worse than animal cruelty.

The question I'm posing is, is it alright for humans to take that type of abuse, but it's not okay and it's just downright unacceptable for animals to be tortured? You've never really answered that. There are laws against it that the US cannot uphold when crimes are committed in other countries. That's the job of that country or the United Nations, who does nothing anyway. What I want to know is, do you even care about anyone who's over there or was over there in Iraq and were being tortured? Or how about WWII in Japan and whatnot. There's abuse here in the US as well. Is it alright as long as YOU'RE not hurt? I just don't get why people don't care so much about their fellow human, but care more about the treatment of animals.

Actually people are tortured everyday, doesn't matter what part of the world. Even right now someone is being raped, tortured in a mans/womans house or farm or where ever. Their country has nothing to do with it.

The way I figure, animal cruelty is spoken against more because animals generally don't have a say in the matter. They cry but cannout outcry.

Agreed.

Animals are of true innocence. Not that I'm saying any human desires to be tortured... But animals truely have don't absolutely nothing to desirve that kind of treatment where as an american getting tortured in Iraq can be justified by the taliban regime because "we are invading their country"... and if not, there's another excuse. The list is infinate...

Ummmm. KA. No one said that humans should take the abuse either. All of it is wrong. Sorry that KK made a specific thread about animals. Pretty sure it was inspired by the vid. If she found one with people doing that to people I'm sure this topic would be about that instead.

It's all wrong. But the topic we're on is Animal Cruelty. Not Human torture. So, quite frankly, give it a rest.