Altoecko wrote:
This topic is not a debate, and it never was. Think of it more as a socratic seminar, I'm not here to prove anyone wrong or prove myself right. I just want to know what other people think. Is sexism the same, not as bad as, or better than racism? Sure, I went about a weird way of doing so, but that's all I wanted to know. I still think the person needs to grow a pair, the odds will always be stacked against you, regardless of what sex,religion, or creed you are. Deal with your own problems, work to get above the inequalities you think you have going against you. I despise people who in this day and age complain about living in an unfair world. Stop complaining and deal with it, people don't realize just how powerful they can trully be if they just applied themselves. One human being can make a difference, be the change you wish to see in this world. We all have a chance to rise above if we tried, even the people who seem to have no rights in some third world countries can and are still to this day breaking the cycle of hatred. I think we as humans have progressed far too much to treat others badly based on a trait they were born or raised with that they have no control over themselves.
And another thing, I have nothing against you lantis, but I do not appreciate being called naive and I'd like for you to apologize. Honestly, nothing bad will happen if you don't, it's more for me than anything else. You don't have to, but I'd be thankful if you did.
First, I want to say I writting this post because I want to help you. Our goal is not to advocate hating anything. It is to make you aware enough of the current situation to make an informed decision about women in your life.
Having the information we are privy to (Ix, Lantis, etc.) is like knowing the world is round when everyone else thinks it's flat....It's that pivital.We have not arrived on the stances we take lightly. Ix and myself thus far have researched this information for the past
two going on three years, and honest to God, we wish what we knew was not true. Sadly it is.
IMO, sexism is worse than racism. Let me illustrate why.
First Altoecko let me tell you this in all seriousness...the feminist hate you whether you support them or not.
Pornography: Men Possessing Women - Andrea Dworkin wrote:
Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it "Her". Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination
"Functions of the Family," WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969 - Linda Gordon wrote:
The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together.... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the breakup of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.... No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children...."
Wikipedia
Andrea Dworkin (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin)
Linda Gordon (
http://history.fas.nyu.edu/object/lindagordon)
An aside: Tell me if you believe the following: (if so, I'll address these later)
-1 in 4 women are raped
-Men commit most domestic violence
-Women earn 75 cents for every dollar a man makes
-Glass Ceilling
Altoecko wrote:
Sure, I went about a weird way of doing so, but that's all I wanted to know. I still think the person needs to grow a pair, the odds will always be stacked against you, regardless of what sex,religion, or creed you are. Deal with your own problems, work to get above the inequalities you think you have going against you. I despise people who in this day and age complain about living in an unfair world. Stop complaining and deal with it, people don't realize just how powerful they can trully be if they just applied themselves.
You may not realise it, but the bolded parts are called shammimg language and it is what feminist and there supports use to try to shut men up that have legitmate complaints.
Shamming Language: The use of phrases that question the manliness or masculinity of a man in order to shame him into acting against his common sense.Also, If women had stoped "complaining and delt with it",
would there have been a feminist movement in the first place?If the underlined statement is true, then you must really despise feminists, they complain all the time and get stuff passed like Roe v. Wade, Violence Against Women Act (VAWA I), VAWA II(If feminist wanted eqaulity like they claim, these would be Violence Against
People Acts (VAPA I and II)), and affirmative action.
Wikipedia Links
VAWA (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAWA)
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I think we as humans have progressed far too much to treat others badly based on a trait they were born or raised with that they have no control over themselves.
I believe this as well, unfortunatlly, the real world does not fuction this way. We must deal in reality not fantasy.
Please take the time to read this:
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This site has useful statistics about how men are systematically discriminated. I notice that it are 24.
Twenty One Indicators of Systemic Discrimination Against Men- The American woman by the 1960s lived in the nation with the world's highest standard of living and owned 65% of the wealth in that nation.
- Feminists "felt victimized", however, and convinced American women that they are "discriminated against".
- Never have they been required to nor been able to produce a shred of statistical evidence to back up that claim.
- Twenty one key statistical indicators each illustrate how men have been and are being systematically discriminated against by government fiat. 1. WEALTH: Women hold 65% of the country's wealth [Fortune Magazine]
2. CHILD CUSTODY: Women receive custody of 92% of the children of divorce and illegitimacy, and men only 4%. [Department of Health & Human Services]
3. INCOME: Men constitute 60% of workplace hours, work longer hours, work harder, and are more qualified, rarely file sexual discrimination or harassment lawsuits or take pregnancy leave, yet earn only 42% more than women [Dept. Labor]
4. SUICIDE: Men's suicide rate is 4.6 times higher than women's [Dept. Health & Human Services -- 26,710 males vs 5,700 females]
5. LIFE EXPECTANCY: Men's life expectancy is seven (7) years shorter than women's [National Center for Health Statistics -- males 72.3 yrs vs females 79 yrs] yet receive only 35% of government expenditures for health care and medical costs.
6. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION: Men are discriminated against BY DESIGN through affirmative action.
7. FEDERAL TAXES: Even though men pay 115% of federal income taxes women constitute 11% more of the voters.
8. VOTE: Because there are 11% more female than male voters, males have little to no influence on how the male tax dollar is spent.
9. WAR: Men, not women, fight and die in battle [Dept. Defense -- Vietnam Casualties 47,369 men vs 74 women] while women sue the taxpayer when they have their butt pinched.
10. WORKPLACE FATALITIES: Men account for more than 95% of workplace fatalities.
11. MURDER: Men are murdered at a rate almost 5 times that of women [Dept. Health & Human Services -- 26,710 men vs 5,700 women]
12. JURY BIAS: Women are acquitted of spousal murder at a rate 9 times that of men [Bureau Justice Statistics -- 1.4% of men vs 12.9% of women]
13. COURT BIAS: Men are sentenced 2.8 times longer than women for spousal murder [Bureau Justice Statistics -- men at 17 years vs women at 6 years]
14. JUSTICE SYSTEM BIAS: Even though the amount of the average "child support payment" due from women is half the amount due from men, and even though women are twice as likely as men to default on those payments, fathers are 97% of "child support" collections prosecutions [Census Bureau]
15. WELFARE: Even though men are the recipients of less than 10% of all welfare disbursements, men are required to refund welfare payments made to women.
16. SECONDARY EDUCATION: Even though zero percent of American 12th grade girls were able to correctly answer basic math and physics questions, less than one quarter of America's secondary and elementary school teachers are men.
17. HIGHER EDUCATION: There are more than 200 all-female colleges for women and now not one single all-male college for men. 5.8% fewer men than women are enrolled in 4 year colleges, even though two thirds of those who score higher than 550 in SAT Math are males. In 1993 only 44.5% of college enrollment were men, and that figure has declined since then. Only 45.8% of of bachelor's degrees were conferred to men in 1992, even though 98.2% of the top fiftieth percentile of the GRE are men, and ZERO PERCENT of American high school girls correctly answered 28 out of 67 TIMSS advanced math questions. Only 38.4% of private 4 year college students were men as of 1990, and this figure has declined since then.
18. LEGAL SYSTEM BIAS: 96% of physical altercations resulting in injury to a spouse occurs AFTER the date of separation. [Read: spousal abuse laws that pretend that husbands are dangerous discriminate against husbands when we know that only a very small percent of domestic violence is associated with them]. [Chadwick and Heaton, "Statistical Handbook of the American Family"]
19. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE: Even though study after study shows that women are the majority of the initiators of domestic violence, and 58% of the above mentioned physical altercations are initiated by the female, Congress passed the obviously anti-male VAWA and VAWA II.which are known would make the problem far worse. [Read: despite the fact we discriminate against husbands in protective orders, women still cause more than half of domestic altercations because they know they can get away with it].
20. CHILD VIOLENCE: Even though mothers commit 55% of child murders and biological fathers commit 6%, even though NIS-3 shows that Mother-only households are 3 times more fatal to children than Father-only households, children are systematically removed from the natural fathers who are their most effective protectors and men are imprisoned at rate 20 times that of women.
21. FAMILY BREAKDOWN: The US Surgeon General notes that divorce is more harmful to a man's health than smoking tobacco, yet as much as $1.3 Trillion of federal expenditures accomplish little else than undermine family stability.
22. WOMEN PILOTS: Even though women pilots have an accident rate four times that of men pilots, federal laws require that airlines risk the safety of passengers and hire women pilots anyway.
23. WOMEN DRIVERS: Even though the crash rate of women drivers is twice that of men drivers, and even though drinking alcohol increases the crash rate of men by only 5%, the majority of those imprisoned under DUI laws are men, and women are almost never imprisoned for their much higher number of non-alcohol-related crashes.
24. INCARCERATION: Even though feminists brag that 1.4 million American brides commit adultery, and even though women file more than 90,000 false allegations of rape, every year, only 99,000 of the 1.8 million Americans behind bars are women.
This isn't about black, white, yellow, brown, etc. Feminist hate all men. The deck is stacked against you. All we are trying to do is give you a strategy so that you can better play with the hand you're delt.
Some Double Standards to think about:
-Why is male rape funny, but female rape isn't?
-Why is it acceptable for a female to hit a male, but not vice versa?
-Why are males required to register for the selective service and females are not?
-Why are females that commit the same crimes as males given lighter sentences?
-Why are females allowed to terminate pregnacies without the males' consent?
-Why are there batttered womens' shelters, but no battered mens' shelters?
-Why isn't college entrance 50/50 based on gender? Currently it's 60/40 in women's favor and the gap continues to increase.
-Why are women required to do less physically for occupations like firefighter and soldier?
-Why is it when a female has sex with an underage male it's called sex, but when a male has sex with an underage female it's called rape, and why do females get slaps on the wrists for these crimes?
These are just a few of the injustices proported againt males in today's society.
If you take nothing else away from this, heed this:
you are expendable:
-You can be drafted and killed in war.
-At worst be convicted of a sex crime based soly on the word of your female accuser (Sadly, I can provide many many examples), and at best have your professional and personal life ruined.
-Incase of divorce there is a 90% you will lose your childern. You will lose (in some states) 90% of you assests. You will pay Child Support not based on your actual income, but on what you could
potentially earn. (Ex. There was a case in which a man's wife had died and he still had to pay Child Support payments over $1000/month
while taking care of his three children.)
-Incase of a Domestic Violence dispute, you will not be believed. Officers are trained to
believe the women only.
-You can be claimed the biological father of a child just because a women put your name on a birth citificate. She doesn't even have to know you, and you will have to spend thousands to get you name cleared.
If you have any questions about the following, I will address it in a follow up post.