RPG Maker 1 - Playstation 3 Incompatability - Please read!

Valkysas · **Posted:** November 12th, 2006, 12:39 am

EDIT by Draygone: This has long since been proven untrue. Unstickying now.

The Playstation 3 uses "virtual memory cards" for PS1 and 2 games. It only allows 2 virtual memory cards to be loaded on the system at a time. This means that any RPGM1 game that uses more than two memory cards will be UNPLAYABLE on the Playstation 3, since you cannot swap memory cards during play, like is need for games that often have one system card, 1 scenario card (or more) and a dedicated art card.

Just wanted to get this info out there before people go trading their PS2s in for PS3s.

Ixzion · **Posted:** November 12th, 2006, 12:02 pm

Damn it. Why do they always cap this crap? I mean, I have 4 PS1s and a PS2 (I'll have 4 PS2s when they drop to 20 bucks), so I'm not really hurting, but damn.

Anyway, this is GA'd.

Valkysas · **Posted:** November 12th, 2006, 1:58 pm

You can't really blame them though. no other PS1 or 2 game has ever used more than one memory card at a time, much less 3 or 4 like RPGM1. Why would sony ever think to allow people to load more than two virtual memory cards at a time?

you can have as many virtual memory cards saved on the machine as you want, but only two can be used at a time. I actually think the virtual memory card thing is really cool. lets you have every single RPGM2 and 3 game on your system at once.

Ixzion · **Posted:** November 12th, 2006, 2:32 pm

Yeah, I guess that's pretty cool. I'll be using that feature a lot, I bet.

Staffy · **Posted:** November 12th, 2006, 6:03 pm

Well, if you can only have 2 loaded I don't see the issue. i mean as long as there can be more in stored in the harddrive, I actulay think this would be an IMPROVEMENT. (no more having to do potentaly dangerous card swapping mid-play) when you reach the end just load up the next card and you'll be set to go!

Valkysas · **Posted:** November 12th, 2006, 6:25 pm

Um, I dont think you realize what I'm saying.

Many RPG Maker games require you to swap memory cards during the initial loading because they have a system card, a scenario card, and an art card (or sometimes multiple scenario cards). you cannot swap virtual memory cards during a game. so you cannot play any RPG Maker game that requires more than two cards.

Well, except games that use the multiple system card trick, since you have to reset the system anyways for that, which would give you a chance to change the virtual memory cards. but scenario and art cards wouldnt work, because those have to be loaded while the RPG Maker software is running.

here's an example.

You go to play a game that has a system, scenario, and art card. you can only load two virtual memory cards on the system at a time. you need three, or the ability to swap memory cards during a game (when it prompts you to during the inital game loading sequence). So you cannot play that game.

Staffy · **Posted:** November 12th, 2006, 8:04 pm

I think that that would be a little bit dumb. I mean there are plenty of times where you make/have game saves spread accross mutiple cards, and accessing them would require that you load up one while the game is at the very least, idle. I'm not talking about RM eather, what if you have a game that you have items in and want to drop in an existing game with out disrupting thegame your in? I can tink of SEVERAL games, not just RM, where shuffling cards is insanely usefull. (gran turismo comes to mind, as does many fighting games.)

ErikaFuzzbottom · **Posted:** November 12th, 2006, 9:19 pm

What other games require the use of more than two memory cards, Staffy?

Staffy · **Posted:** November 13th, 2006, 1:06 am

Oh, I'm not saying its REQUIRED, Im just saying that it's somtimes useful to be able to have 3 or 4 to swap stuff around.

And now I'm hearing music in my head which means that its time for bed.

Lantis · **Posted:** November 13th, 2006, 11:45 am

I think I may have a way around this...

It still requires using memory cards but:

http://www.play3-live.com/news-ps3/2130 ... ion-3.html

A pain, yes. This thing is like $13 bucks. A shame they just didn't put a memory card slot in the system in the first place.

But IMHO, it's better to play RM1 games on the PC via EPSXE anyway...

::edit::

I had the pic posted, but the stupid site blocked linking. So I just linked the entire site.

...broadband hogs...

ErikaFuzzbottom · **Posted:** November 13th, 2006, 12:06 pm

They don't allow hot-linking, and yet they took those images from IGN.com.

I'm assuming you're talking about the memory card adaptor? Not really sure how that works. PS1 and PS2 games may not be able to recognize it.

Lantis · **Posted:** November 13th, 2006, 12:25 pm

I think it's save to assume that they accept PS2 cards, as depicted in the pic on the site.

But you may be right about PS1. Again, though, If you get the Playstation emulator running, you wouldn't have to worry about memory cards in the first place.

ErikaFuzzbottom · **Posted:** November 13th, 2006, 3:06 pm

But will PS1 and PS2 games even know to look for the memory card in the adaptor? For all we know they'll only look for the virtual memory cards. I thought I read that the adaptor is only needed to transfer old saves to the PS3 hard drive.

Lantis · **Posted:** November 13th, 2006, 4:06 pm

I can't source it, because I can't remember... But I think I remember hearing that the adaptor reads like a slot would for PS2. If not, it reads vurtually...

Quote:

Microsoft has run into a pair of notable complaints with its Xbox 360 backward compatibility. First off, not all original Xbox games work on the next-gen system. And the ones that do typically need to be replayed from the beginning by the gamer, as there's no port on the 360 for the old system's memory cards.

With its upcoming PlayStation 3, Sony is promising to address those problems. It is aiming at making virtually every original PlayStation and PlayStation 2 game backward compatible on the PS3 from the get-go, and according to a FAQ on the official PS3 Web site, it has the memory card issue hammered out as well.

"To use saved data on a PlayStation 2 memory card, you must copy the data onto a virtual memory card within the hard disk," the site reads. "This requires a PS2/PSone memory card adaptor to copy the data to your PlayStation 3. A memory card adaptor is designed to edit, up/download game saves to and from EMS flash card or smart media card."

However, the FAQ doesn't mention if Sony will be releasing such an adapter itself. Currently it's possible to move original Xbox game saves to an Xbox 360 with the aid of third-party peripherals.

I'll see if I can dig up if it can read straight from the adaptor or not...

Valkysas · **Posted:** November 13th, 2006, 5:08 pm

the adapter is only to copy memory card data to a virtual memory card. the games cannot access them.

Lantis · **Posted:** November 13th, 2006, 5:28 pm

Man, you'd think they would try to work that out...

That's not cool. If I'm going to pay $500 bucks for a system, you'd think they could do something as simple as recognize older formats a little more easily.

But on the other hand, having my PS2 memory card backed up on the PS3 hard drive seems a bit more convieniant actually. I mean, I haven't filled up one of those cards yet. So it's not like that's going to be a problem... as far as PS1 is concerned, (for the thrid time) I use emulators.

Agentsix · **Posted:** November 13th, 2006, 5:31 pm

Well this hasn't been tried out so you never know. We have no idea about how the ps3 handles the games for the older systems. It has the interface of the psp, there will be some hacks and all but still isn't this just speculation since no one has really tried to see if its true. (yes I know the ps3 isn't out)

Feros · **Posted:** November 13th, 2006, 6:10 pm

One, the PS3 IS out in Japan. Two, yes, we are sure that this is the case.

Valkysas · **Posted:** November 13th, 2006, 9:05 pm

I researched this for weeks before posting it. I'm absolutely sure of what I said.

ErikaFuzzbottom · **Posted:** November 14th, 2006, 1:08 am

Quote:

as far as PS1 is concerned, (for the thrid time) I use emulators.

Then have you figured out a way to play RPGM1 games that take more than two memory cards on ePSXe? I've tried exiting out of gameplay, switching "memory cards" and continuing gameplay, but it doesn't seem to recongize that I made the switch. Least, not last I checked.

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