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PostPosted: February 18th, 2016, 3:40 pm 
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A big movement has started up on Youtube fighting its broken copyright system. It was started by Doug Walker, the Nostalgia Critic. And the movement has gained quite the following. All you have to do is hit up Youtube and search #WTFU and you'll see loads of videos on the subject matter.

For those wondering what the issue with Youtube's copyright system is, or what Fair Use is, NC explains it best:



And yes, this affects us let's players, as well. Every single one of my Super Mario Maker videos was "blocked in other countries".

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The reverse happens too, of course. Many foreign videos/songs are blocked in the US for the same reasons.

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While I fully support this, Youtube can and will completely ignore this. There's nothing we can say or do because Youtube has a legitimate monopoly on their site and video hosting as a whole.

I don't know who exactly would have the authority to force Youtube to change, but Youtube isn't going to change the DMCA procedures unless they are forced to. Angry users aren't going to change this.

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If there's a big enough stink, it could affect something.
(Also, this was meant to go in the General forum, not the Video Games forum.)

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I am conflicted because I want to support the cause, and I also believe that nothing may change either.

One video I made was deleted due to a claim; however, it was successfully refuted by me. I agree that the matter needed to be resolved before removing the video, insuring that the claim was valid to begin with.

Punishing the claimant is excessive and would never be enforced ever.

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Draygone wrote:
If there's a big enough stink, it could affect something.
(Also, this was meant to go in the General forum, not the Video Games forum.)


Unless enough people decided to permanently leave Youtube (and by that, I mean millions) Youtube would never have any obligation to change. And that's simply not going to happen. Would you stop posting to your Youtube channel for a chance that it "COULD" affect something? Should we stop the race channel? What about people who do this for a living?

Like it's a monopoly. And by definition, the only thing we can do... we won't. It sucks and I completely agree, but this is the cards we are dealt. Unless I'm horribly overlooking something, to which I would gladly listen to suggestions.



Also, I moved the thread for you.

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Nobody's leaving their channels as far as I'm aware.
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Punishing the claimant is excessive and would never be enforced ever.

If countersuits are a thing, why not? There's gotta be SOME sort of penalty for false accusations.

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There should be, but there's not. And who, exactly would enforce this penalty? Youtube isn't and we can't. Again, it all comes down to how exactly we (or any power that be) could FORCE Youtube to introduce methods to level the playing field. Youtube isn't going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts.

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Microsoft didn't remove the Xbone's DRM out of the goodness of their hearts, either. Just saying.

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If people like PewDiePie and Markiplier threatened to leave, you know something would change. It's also a damn shame that I could lose me $0.00001 from this.

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Draygone wrote:
Microsoft didn't remove the Xbone's DRM out of the goodness of their hearts, either. Just saying.



Yeah, and the reason they backed out of that was because no one would buy their console.

Youtube is free, there's no monetary loss.

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If people like PewDiePie and Markiplier threatened to leave, you know something would change. It's also a damn shame that I could lose me $0.00001 from this.


This. This is the kind of thing that COULD eventually cause change. It's also the least likely thing to happen since those channels aren't going to give up that kind of money. And I'm sure Youtube gives those guys special treatment anyways. So they won't have to worry about copyright strikes or takedowns to begin with... otherwise they would have spoken up by now.

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PostPosted: April 1st, 2016, 5:00 pm 
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Apparently the opportunity to actually do something about this has come. And the opportunity will already be over by the end of today.



Go here:
https://www.takedownabuse.org/

You don't have to worry about writing your thoughts on the abuse (though you can if you want). The form automatically has a big explanation on the abuse in it.

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I don't put a whole lot of faith on what is essentially an online petition, but I signed it anyways.

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Wow! Last week you and nearly 100,000 other people told the U.S. Copyright Office to protect YouTubers and content creators from unfair takedowns by fixing how Fair Use is treated under the DMCA.

Copyright law is so out of step with modern culture and creativity. Videos and other works are being taken off the Internet before they have even had a chance to breathe. The only people who really want to keep it that way are the big corporations who want to hold onto the old ways to exploit creators and protect their profits.

So, if we're ever going to start fixing copyright, we need the artists that the big corporations hide behind to see how maximalist copyright is killing culture, and work with us on solutions. That's why we're building a coalition of artists who will help fix copyright.

Will you sign this petition asking your favorite celebrity artists to join a call to fix copyright? If we get to 1 million signatures, we can get top artists to seriously look at how copyright is broken and join us.

For too long, the conversation around copyright has been siloed and distorted by just a few special interests. Big corporate rights holders have been exploiting artists and creators, and using their voices to pass draconian copyright laws that serve monopolies more than anyone else. We need to get past this stymied debate and misinformation and understand where copyright should be in the digital age.

No one can speak to the problem of DMCA takedown abuse like us: the content creators and fans who experience it all the time. That's why it's up to people like you to actually stand up and help us reach some of the most powerful voices in this debate––celebrity artists themselves. If we're ever going to reach solutions, we need to work together to bridge the divide between those who get it and those who are unwittingly serving the big guys in suits.

That's why it's on us to elevate the debate on copyright. It's time to pull in the biggest voices to have a real conversation on what copyright laws should actually look like in the digital age. But, we need your help to get past the powerful few who have owned this debate for so long, and get to real solutions.

People who make stuff and share it on YouTube, Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and more are changing the world. We're all benefiting from this Internet-enabled culture.

We are getting our news, jokes, art, and music from millions of brilliant individuals rather than just what's on TV. We're actually starting movements that overthrow governments, breaking up the power of lobbying cartels, and making the culture we're living in.

If we change copyright, we protect all of that freedom of expression AND make it possible for the creators who make great stuff to make a living.

Our current copyright system is failing at both. Yet, we're staring at solutions in the face.

It's possible to make sure takedown abuse doesn't happen. First, we can make sure takedown requests are legitimate and if not, there should be a fine for making bogus claims. Preventing censorship of free speech is that important. Then, we can make sure there's a fair use review before takedowns happen. Allowing people to comment, criticize, and remake is that important. Hey, maybe even shorten the terms on copyright for non-commercial uses. That'd be something!

We started this movement, and it's up to us to take it to the next level. Help reach those who can work with us to fix copyright for everyone.

Thank you!


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Looks like this helped:

http://www.polygon.com/2016/4/28/115312 ... m-sterling

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I'm glad how incredibly wrong I was.

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https://torrentfreak.com/fox-stole-a-ga ... al-160520/

You guys really need to read this.

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As much as I argue against Let's Play and some copyright arguments, this one is really a gigantic piece of sh*t. How can you take someone's video and then file copyright on them? In fact, Konami should now counter and say that Fox is infringing on their copyright by wrongfully using footage of their game without permission.

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Yeah, it's crazy.

Just revisiting this, Xenoblade Chronicles X is owned by Nintendo since they own Monolith, but Sony did the OST somehow? So I can't even monetize my guide videos through Nintendo's program. While I think they're on the right track, it is just astounding to me that they are even missing some first party games like Woolly World in their program.

I will say if I go outside Nintendo, I am more tempted to just do indie stuff so it isn't a problem. I really think that scene is putting out great stuff, and realize that people sharing their games encourages sales.

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I will admit, when I started Let's Playing I was worried at first about copyright. Luckily, the farthest I ever got was "Matched third party content". Mercifully, I have yet to receive a copyright strike. And I hope this NEVER happens. At the same time, I do feel sorry for those who are battling copyright claims and/or strikes.

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