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PostPosted: September 30th, 2014, 3:50 pm 
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Ix and I debated over if our race videos is a show or not:

Ixzion: But yeah, if all of us at once decide we're tired of it, we should get together for one last hurrah
Lantis: ...
Um.
Probably won't happen.
If they are tired of it, they aren't going to want to.... do it some more.
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Ixzion: If everyone got tired at once, I think I could convince everyone of one final sendoff
Don't you hate when shows end without a final episode?
Lantis: ...
Why do you keep equating our racing video games with like an arching story from a TV show?
Ixzion: Because this is a show
Lantis: Not... really.
Ixzion: Do I need to get Fay/Dray/Kay in here?
Lantis: You really think they'll agree that us playing video games is like a legit show with an over arching story?
That can end in a "cliffhanger" if we don't do a final one.
It's glorified let's playing.
Nothing more.
Ixzion: We don't have an "over-arching story", but you forget shows like Looney Tunes, which don't have such things.
Lantis: We are NOTHING like Looney Tunes.
Ixzion: Both things are shows
Lantis: lol
Yeah, and sandwiches and cyanide are both edible.
Ixzion: So you agree
Lantis: ...
No.
I do not, sir.
Ixzion: Sanwiches and cyanide ARE edible. They fall under "edible" things.
Lantis: Yeah, but one is food... one is not.
When you say show.
Ixzion: You can burrow into minutiae, sure
Lantis: I think scripted, heavily edited, and something that requires a full staff of people to produce.
Not... just a few friends playing video games.
That's not a show.
That's just a few friends playing video games.
Ixzion: That is a certain type of show, yes.
of course, you have Whose Line is it, which is completely unscripted
One person can make a show
Like AVGN
Lantis: AVGN is a show.
Sure.
It's a fictional character with scripted lines that is preformed in front of a camera.
Ixzion: but fails your 3rd criteria
Lantis: We don't preform!
WTF
We're just playing games with each other!
It's not a f*cking performance.
Ixzion: But it's also entertaining
Lantis: Yeah, and hanging out with you is entertaining.
Doesn't make it a f*cking show.
Entertaining does not equal show.
Ixzion: So what we have, then, is a title card, an intro, a process where YOU spend many hours heavily editing video, an outtro
And people watch the end result of that for a half hour each week.
Lantis: Yeah.
I make our gaming together a bit more pretty to look at.
That doesn't change the core of what it is.
Which again, is just a group of friends gaming together.
Ixzion: Our show is about us as gamers having a good time shooting the sh*t and playing games.
Lantis: It's not a show, lol.
Ixzion: lol
Why don't you post and see what people think?
Ixzion: We'll see who's right
Ixzion: This is also one of the dumbest discussions ever to argue about
Lantis: Absolutely.


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I side with Ixz. A 'show" isn't defined by meeting certain criteria, which, by the way, your criteria for what a show is only covers a miniscule amount of content that most would consider a show, a show is simply just any sort of visual or audial media for the purpose of entertainment.

A show doesn't have to be a scripted event, like Ixz said, improv shows are exactly that, shows. No editing, no scripting, no storyline, usually just a group of friends having fun together.

As for the issue that that argument started over. Consider any other Youtube content that you watch frequently. Wouldn't it suck if a let's player you like suddenly stopped making videos with seemingly no explanation? No final video to explain the situation?

i.e. if you can consider something like Game Grumps a show (which it is), then the race channel is also a show.

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I would consider Dray's LPs more of a show since he actually denotes things by episodes and season. It has the formatting of a show at least... which is more than the races.

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Yeah, but format, like content, does not denote a show. You are associating the word too closely to the television context.

Edit: Besides, episode and season numbers are arbitrary. If I take the race videos, and slap a season and episode number on each video, does it suddenly become a show under your definition?

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I guess then I don't understand the line between what's a show and what isn't. Like, for example, a youtube channel I like to watch that uploads just a bunch of chiptune and songs used in keygens. Is that a show too?

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To make it a bonafide show, we need to add scare cams.

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It's just, I don't know. I feel like a legitimate show is more self aware. It has some branding to go along side it as well as some sort of show-like formatting. I guess I just feel that the races are a bit too informal to be considered a show. I mean, I can just as easily be wrong... but it's just how it feels.

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I take it as, if someone is actively performing something for the purpose of entertainment, then it's a show. So LPs are shows, as well as your race videos. That Youtube channel that uploads chiptunes I wouldn't consider a show, unless it was a person performing them in some way.

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Does it really matter? If you have followers that watch it, then it might be nice to do one last video even if it'still to thank those viewers. At least if everyone's up for it.
Doesn't have to be something flashy. It doesn't have to be a final Let's Race. Just... let people know.

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Well if the Kardashians can have a show, why can't let's race be a show? Nah, f*ck it. We're not making money.

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Broadly speaking, it's a show - you're performing, like Myoky stated. Technically speaking, it's a another form of Lets Plays called "Let''s Race".


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I agree with Ix in that you can define it as a show. But like Lantis says, you can define cyanide as edible. Just because things can be grouped together does not make them the same. And in my opinion, we are all sidestepping the point. If there is to be a final episode, it would be nice to know while recording it is such so that it can be introduced as the final episode so that there is a feeling of closure

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I think my deal was that you have to present it as a show to be a show. I see it as something we might do even off camera just for fun. Just because it's actually captured shouldn't automatically make it a show without some kind of acknowledgement or show-like formatting.

It's like looking at a piece of board and saying it's a snowboard. I mean, technically it COULD be. Doesn't mean it is. Specially since there are other things that are actually designed to be snowboards.

But anyways, if there ever is a time where we aren't going to be doing this anymore, if everyone wanted to do one last hurrah, that's cool. I just don't see people wanting to do one more if they... you know... don't want to do anymore. And I can't really blame them for it.

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I wrote a script for the next race. You should too.

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Lantis's races are not a show. They're just videos of a group of friends doing speed runs together, that we happen to be sharing with the internet.

And since my videos were brought up, I don't consider my let's plays a show. I mean I tried to make a show out of let's playing, but it didn't work out. My credits and episode titles are mainly just remnants of that attempt, and the "seasons" thing is just to help separate my old LPs from my new ones. Take those away, and there's really no difference between my let's plays and others'.

Also, I do not consider Game Grumps a show.

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I actually forgot this was a topic until I saw this thread.

On topic, we should definitely have a final "event", though. People have been following us for years now and deserve to know when we hang it up.

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We are sharing, it's a show darnit!

Plus we have lovable rascals. All shows have those.

Like papa Ixzion. Mama Lantis just mad tho.

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Hey, Ixzion gave birth to the site. I'm the step father that came in later.

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Aw man, what happened to my "low blow" post? Now it's no longer relevant.

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