It was mentioned in the very first post of the topic I linked to.

If I am to be expected to pay $75 for Ace, why on earth would I pay anything for such an inferior maker by comparison?

Tsukuru 4, yeah. 2003... not so much.

Actually, $75 was the pre-order price. It's $90 full price, plus $20 for its expansion packs. So the suggested price for 2K3 is the price of an expansion pack.

Again, if I were to pay THAT much for Ace... why would I spend any more money on 2003?

Honestly... I didn't even read the topic in detail. That admin debacle got me so upset that I was kinda like, if they wanna hire people like that, do they really need my money? Then you kinda realize in the grand scheme of things they're probably powerless, and most of the money is going to glorious Nippon. That, and jerks get their due- in well... due time.

But still- they have a thing or two to learn about pricing. Even if RM2003 comes out, it's dated. So yeah, a few hardcore people will buy it, but people want the newest thing. Also, RM2003 does indeed have scripts, but in a much older setting. I've played a few 2003 games- some folks used the JP version to develop legit, and are really looking forward to a 2003 actual release to convert projects and whatnot. $20 isn't anything, but the Ace debacle.

Ace is $90, but I will defend the US company and the JP side that sets everything most likely in that you don't need the DLC. It's optional- as in, I have no use for it since custom resources.

BUT. That $90 price is ridiculous. And I can see the POV of someone wanting to use RTP-style material wanting that DLC. I had a friend interested in finally making his own RPG, and he wanted to use a PC Maker since that way, he could share it around easily to his friends- that and he doesn't have the consoles needed for RPG Maker 1-3 anymore. He saw that price-tag and ran to the hills. RPG Maker XP should be in his range, but honestly, is okay but Ace has a lot more stuff for new users(built in caterpillar, etc) that might not have the patience to go script hunting and bug hunting using multiple scripts. In a perfect world, RPG Maker XP should be $30, VX should be $30-40, and VX Ace should've been priced at $60. Instead, like Dray mentioned, they bumped up VX Ace's price instead to make a difference appear in pricing, instead of the other way around. It's just kinda shameful really... there isn't enough added to justify that cost. And they've given up on compensating VX owners as well- if you pre-ordered, you got what everyone else got, no extra discount. I didn't own VX, and I pre-ordered- these are the only reasons I got it, since I knew it wouldn't get a sale for a while afterwards. Pre-purchase is the new "trend" in gaming instead of pre-orders it seems.

That being said, it is a robust maker, it has the community booming... but honestly, sometimes the PC Maker community can be confusing. Not in actual application to program, but the mindsets. Like, some people severely look down on others for using the RTP sans scripts to make a game. Then, some of the best games considered use custom resources(and they do it well), but then they just completely rip Square's menu noises. It's kinda like... really. And that's not counting the Final Fantasy/other RPG storyline clones. It's a bigger community, but I think looking down on a user using the RTP and creating something original is kinda dumb... Fo' real.

I like how some people still don't know that those Makers were pirated. Just had someone ask me at Youtube to play their 2K3 game. Or rather, they just gave me the game info and where to download it and assumed I knew what to do. I asked them where they got it. They told me, and I said that it's not legit unless they paid for it. The response?

Another person requested I do a 2K3 game. After telling this guy that it was pirated, this was the response I got.

HAHAHAHA. That's too good.

Haha good gravy. I'm sure they can see how this release would go from those two messages alone. Though I guess 5 people paying is more than the current nothing.

My gosh, it's like ever since the "2K3 for legit" dealio popped up, I'm getting trolled by 2K3 users.

Lantis will remember that, a while back, I got an offer to become a collaboration partner for a channel that was coming up for homebrew games (unrelated to the collab channel I'm working on now). I turned it down, on account it was affilated with a web site that gives out all the pirated Makers.

Well, just today, I got an angry response from someone else who runs that collab channel:



*sighs*

A response to proving that RM2K3 was pirated, from the collab channel mentioned in the prior post.


I have proceeded to laugh in this person's face and blocked both accounts.

Agetec hasn't forgotten about us at all.

Enterbrain has.

Also, Draygone, for having to deal with such morons, you have my sincere condolences.

Some people are just aggressively stupid.