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PostPosted: January 23rd, 2011, 3:54 pm 
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http://blogs.forbes.com/ciocentral/2011 ... nnovation/

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Danger: America Is Losing Its Edge In Innovation
Jan. 20 2011 - 7:52 pm | 9,619 views | 1 recommendation | 11 comments
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Written By Norm Augustine


Norm Augustine: We're falling behind.
I’ve visited more than 100 countries in the past several years, meeting people from all walks of life, from impoverished children in India to heads of state. Almost every adult I’ve talked with in these countries shares a belief that the path to success is paved with science and engineering.

In fact, scientists and engineers are celebrities in most countries. They’re not seen as geeks or misfits, as they too often are in the U.S., but rather as society’s leaders and innovators. In China, eight of the top nine political posts are held by engineers. In the U.S., almost no engineers or scientists are engaged in high-level politics, and there is a virtual absence of engineers in our public policy debates.

Why does this matter? Because if American students have a negative impression – or no impression at all – of science and engineering, then they’re hardly likely to choose them as professions. Already, 70% of engineers with PhD’s who graduate from U.S. universities are foreign-born. Increasingly, these talented individuals are not staying in the U.S – instead, they’re returning home, where they find greater opportunities.

Part of the problem is the lack of priority U.S. parents place on core education. But there are also problems inherent in our public education system. We simply don’t have enough qualified math and science teachers. Many of those teaching math and science have never taken a university-level course in those subjects.

I’ve always wanted to be a teacher; in fact, I took early retirement from my job in the aerospace industry to pursue a career in education. But I was deemed unqualified to teach 8th-grade math in any school in my state. Ironically, I was welcomed to the faculty at Princeton University, where the student newspaper ranked my course as one of 10 that every undergraduate should take.

In a global, knowledge-driven economy there is a direct correlation between engineering education and innovation. Our success or failure as a nation will be measured by how well we do with the innovation agenda, and by how well we can advance medical research, create game-changing devices and improve the world.

I continue to be active in organizations like the IEEE to help raise the profile of the engineering community and ensure that our voice is heard in key public policy decisions. That’s also why I am passionate about the way engineering should be taught as a profession – not as a collection of technical knowledge, but as a diverse educational experience that produces broad thinkers who appreciate the critical links between technology and society.

Here we are in a flattening world, where innovation is the key to success, and we are failing to give our young people the tools they need to compete. Many countries are doing a much better job. Ireland, despite a devastated economy, just announced it will increase spending on basic research. Russia is building an “innovation city” outside of Moscow. Saudi Arabia has a new university for science and engineering with a staggering $10 billion endowment. (It took MIT 142 years to reach that level.) China is creating new technology universities literally by the dozens.

These nations and many others have rightly concluded that the way to win in the world economy is by doing a better job of educating and innovating. And America? We’re losing our edge. Innovation is something we’ve always been good at. Until now, we’ve been the undisputed leaders when it comes to finding new ideas through basic research, translating those ideas into products through world-class engineering, and getting to market first through aggressive entrepreneurship.

That’s how we rose to prominence. And that’s where we’re falling behind now. The statistics tell the story.

U.S. consumers spend significantly more on potato chips than the U.S. government devotes to energy R&D.
In 2009, for the first time, over half of U.S. patents were awarded to non-U.S. companies.
China has replaced the U.S. as the world’s number one high-technology exporter.
Between 1996 and 1999, 157 new drugs were approved in the U.S. Ten years later, that number had dropped to 74.
The World Economic Forum ranks the U.S. #48 in quality of math and science education.
Innovation is the key to survival in an increasingly global economy. Today we’re living off the investments we made over the past 25 years. We’ve been eating our seed corn. And we’re seeing an accelerating erosion of our ability to compete. Charles Darwin observed that it is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most adaptable to change.

Right now the U.S. is not responding to change as we need to. But there is a way forward. Five years ago, I was part of a commission that studied U.S. competitiveness. We issued a report called Rising Above the Gathering Storm, which made some important recommendations and specific actions to implement them. The recommendations were:

Improve K-12 science and math education.
Invest in long-term basic research.
Attract and retain the best and brightest students, scientists and engineers in the U.S. and around the world.
Create and sustain incentives for innovation and research investment.
Our report was received positively and enjoyed tremendous political support. I felt confident that we were finally getting back on the right track.

In 2007, Congress passed the America COMPETES Act, which authorized official support for many of the steps urged in the Gathering Storm report. When the stimulus package was passed early in 2009, most of the COMPETES Act’s measures received funding. There was an increase in total federal funding for K-12 education, the creation of scholarships for future math and science teachers, and financial support to create the Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E), a new agency dedicated to high-risk, high-reward energy research.

Since the completion of our study five years ago, however, 6 million more kids have dropped out of high school in this country. What kind of future will they have? Likely not a promising one. It is quite possible that our nation’s adults will, for the first time in U.S. history, leave their children and grandchildren a lower standard of living than they themselves enjoyed.

Global leadership is not a birthright. Despite what many Americans believe, our nation does not possess an innate knack for greatness. Greatness must be worked for and won by each new generation. Right now that is not happening. But we still have time. If we place the emphasis we should on education, research and innovation we can lead the world in the decades to come. But the only way to ensure we remain great tomorrow is to increase our investment in science and engineering today.

Norm Augustine is an IEEE Life Fellow and retired chairman and CEO of Lockheed Martin.


This is very true in my opinion.

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Sheesh. I would like to post better than this to stimulate conversation but I went to school in America.

That's a good read. Please, someone, discuss.

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An ex-CEO of Lockheed Martin, that arms-dealing pillar of the American Military-Industrial Complex, feels that America should foster innovation in specifically engineering and maths?

gosh, i am surprised.





... perhaps i'm being overly cynical; maybe this doesn't have anything to do with making better fighter jets and missiles to sell to Israel and far too many other people. Maybe this has nothing to do with the need to continue to train engineers to build exportable weapons lest the American Economy drop dead.

perhaps he'd would just like to avoid repeating this particular mishap.




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If you look at the advancement of technology and who's holding high paying technical jobs... a lot of them are Asian. Militarily, we are pretty advanced, but in other areas, we seriously lack the numbers and the people to create something that isn't weaponry. It is a fact that there a LOT of people in the United States that fear or are apathetic towards the sciences like engineering or anything mathematical. A lot of people I know (that aren't engineers) think I'm way too smart because I'm obviously good with numbers and they're not. Many will even say, "All that stuff's cool, but I would never do it because of all the math involved." The United States is a country being overrun by people who are either too lazy or fear something challenging. Anyone can learn mathematics, but it's just so many people just don't want to take the challenging path. The path of least resistance must bare more fruit, right?

In the field of technology and innovation, it is usually the creative who come up with new ideas. However, it's not always about just creating the NEXT best thing. It's also about it's application, what difference it will make in society for the better. Often times it is easy to just sit there and just keep making the same things or upgrading by adding new parts that allow for more speed/efficiency/etc. But creating something brand new? That's a challenge. I know not everyone is gonna be built or geared for those things, but there are less and less people in our country with the desire to do anything great or special. Go with the flow and have "fun." I know I'm currently in that category, but at this point in time, I don't know enough to really be able to envision possibilities and what is feasible. I hope to one day come up with something that's different and something that will serve a great purpose in many societies.

And I do believe the secondary education in the United States is very poor in the MAJORITY of schools, especially public schools. No longer is anyone held accountable for learning anything or trying to maintain their grades (by actually learning things). Teachers aren't pushed to make kids learn. Parents at home don't care much about their kids getting an education and achieving bigger and better things. It's just a huge culmination of things. From a lot of places I've seen, including my own high school, the system only dares to push people through the system. You don't have to work your way out of high school often times. I rarely ever studied in high school and got B's and A's with little effort. College is kind of the same way nowadays. BS or BA degrees are a joke. It's about equal to a high school diploma.

That's just some of my opinions on it.

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I don't see how this is news. America has always, ALWAYS, been the muscle not the brains.

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This is just a guess, but the job market sucks in America, and I heard something about it not being as worthwhile to go to college anymore as a results, so that might have something to do with it.

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Actually, America is a very smart country, has been for a long time, and will continue to be one for the foreseeable future. It's a common, though factually inaccurate, perception that we aren't, and we are a country with a strong anti-intellectual grain, which means we have some of the smartest people coming out alongside some of the least intelligent. For instance, it's a constantly quoted fact that America's students score lower than other first-world students. However, as one group did awhile ago, if you run the same numbers again, minus only Texas? We're consistently either at the top, or near it.

The problem with looking at America as the 'muscle' is that it doesn't actually account for the world we live in today; most all of the major advancements of the past 150 years, in the arts or the sciences, were American. I have no interest in whitewashing the aspects of America which everybody considers it in terms of--I was only born here, not given the keys to the car--but I am occasionally given to pointing out the discrepancies in this perception.

The trouble isn't whether or not we're 'smart', it's the educational and commercial environment that has arisen in the past 10-20 years which has contributed to a drastic displacement of resources and students.

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/topic goes to NLY

Although, amusingly enough, I'm from Texas as is Syn (I believe).

I won't start throwing out my academic achievements to defend myself because I think it makes someone look pathetic to do that. However, I can at the least say I'm not in the low grade, and I know Syn isn't either.

And honestly, if I had to give an opinion, I wouldn't blame the schools in particular though they can be improved. The problem is the culture. This generation has apathy bred into it to such extremes that it's slightly frightening.

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Kajakfaucon wrote:
/topic goes to NLY

Although, amusingly enough, I'm from Texas as is Syn (I believe).

I won't start throwing out my academic achievements to defend myself because I think it makes someone look pathetic to do that. However, I can at the least say I'm not in the low grade, and I know Syn isn't either.

And honestly, if I had to give an opinion, I wouldn't blame the schools in particular though they can be improved. The problem is the culture. This generation has apathy bred into it to such extremes that it's slightly frightening.


this post threw me, purely because you both endorsed NLY's post, which asserted that the Texan educational system is sufficiently backward as to cripple the national average (an assertion which, for the record, I think is best taken with a hefty pinch of salt) and in the same post asserted that you not to be in a low grade, academically. It feels like you're trying to have it both ways, here.





Additionally I think the topic shouldn't just be 'given' away to anyone at this stage. I'll note a few sizeable points which remain un/underanalysed by the discussion to date:

Even if chasing up NLY's reference to a study yields something well-supported (ideally by further study) and endorsed by the relevant research community, it would still be only one of a number of attempts to split education statistics by various demographic variables. People split the statistics by ethnicity, by region, by income and the debate over American educational quality is a rather larger thing than we have so far given time to in this thread. Indeed, since the discussion on it is the most boring thing imaginable, I'm more than happy not to talk about it. Nonetheless, our discussion is incomplete if we just start referencing statistical analyses without acknowledging that there are other ways to look at the figures concerned.



Next, I feel at this point that it would be helpful to actually throw some actual statistics or research findings into this thread, since so far we've done no more than gesture and pull assertions out of thin air. So, PISA should do.

Going by PISA 2009, Shanghai most definitely has 'the edge' in education now, with the US trailing a number of other countries including, hilariously, Canada.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/54/12/46643496.pdf

Go Canada. I hope having some statistics in here serves as a useful point of reference.



The original quote was about the US losing the edge in competitiveness, in innovation, within the specific fields of engineering and maths. This is attributed to dropping (or underimproving) standards in education, again, within those specific fields.

I don't know anywhere near enough about American education to know whether this is due to the causes other posters have been commenting on.

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No longer is anyone held accountable for learning anything or trying to maintain their grades (by actually learning things). Teachers aren't pushed to make kids learn. Parents at home don't care much about their kids getting an education and achieving bigger and better things. It's just a huge culmination of things. From a lot of places I've seen, including my own high school, the system only dares to push people through the system. You don't have to work your way out of high school often times. I rarely ever studied in high school and got B's and A's with little effort. College is kind of the same way nowadays. BS or BA degrees are a joke. It's about equal to a high school diploma.


I'd agree with some of this. I don't think my own BA was a joke (much less my MPhil), though some of the universities you get offering degrees nowadays do reek of low standards and it is a general complaint that the university degree is becoming devalued.

The school system here, at least (and the UK is seen as having problems similar to the US as regards an underperforming educational system... though we've not been particularly competitive in innovation in some time), suffers from problems of apathy, disinterest, etc. The qualifications are being made easier to get, certainly. This is certainly not helping new graduates in their attempts to find work. High schoolers have an even harder time, but since very few high school leavers seem to have ambition, this doesn't seem to be a dreadful problem.

I think that in the case of the UK, certainly, some of these issues tie into wider problems. Partly, perhaps even largely, socio-cultural.


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"most all of the major advancements of the past 150 years... were American"
is objectionable on the following counts, if not others:

- define an "advancement". is a new painting, which inspires another artist and assists in the coalescence of a new movement, an advancement? is the development of a subsystem for a jet fighter an "advancement", or do you have to build the entire jet to be credited?

- this comment conveniently overlooks vast swathes of non-American achievement, in a manner I can only find staggering. I sat down and started listing a whole pile of non-american achievements and achievers; Japanese electronics and automotive tech, Stephen Hawking, the development of Modernism and so on ad nauseum. Then I thought "no, this is ridiculous, the post's a foot long already".

"all ur progress r belong to America", though... I wonder if that's how history will end up being rewritten.



I wonder whether perhaps part of the problem could be that America, Americans, no longer feel that they need to compete with the world, academically, in innovation. Obama recently described America (at the Nobel Award acceptance speech, I believe... and that Award is seen by some informed analysts as a snub delivered by Sweden to China, tangentially) as being "the world's sole military superpower."


I could go on, but not only is this just turning into monologue country, but I fear I might wander off-topic. I just wanted to note a few points on which the discussion remains open.


I would definitely like to see someone flesh out one or another of the comments in this thread about possible causes of apathy and/or disinterest in educational quality. Throw some more opinions at me à la Erika's post, hell, even reference something.


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As somebody who has no particular investment (just so we're clear about that up front) in whether or not America is or isn't this or that, and also as somebody who studies through a lens of value which requires the implicit awareness of the inter-related nature of human achievement, as somebody who loves an accomplishment from France as much as he loves an accomplishment from Mexico, and as somebody who is pretty sure you already know (or should know) at least some of these things about me, mate, I do have to take a moment to protest the idea that I was jingoistically discounting the rest of the world in favor of the place I happened to be born.

If you have a problem with Ameri-centric thought, then I'd ask you not to conflate it with me.

That said, I will gladly admit that I probably should have elaborated on that thought, rather than letting it ride. I do think what I meant was fairly simple in implication, and clear, nor terribly controversial, and in some sense merely factual. Dear god let us not get into a list-making conversation, and avoid the can-of-worms (even if I did implicitly bring it into the conversation) that is national score-keeping.

A statement which deals primarily with things whose introduction has shaped the world we live in today, and their volume of output, necessarily has to involve America, because America (for better and especially for worse) has been the overriding political and cultural fact of the world stage for some time now--different people will give you different dates, some say since the end of either WWI or II, some since more arbitrary dates--and before that was establishing itself in relation to other intellectual superpowers, as it were, and establishing itself as a nation of productive inventors in a way which the world before our times had never really had the capacity for.

To be clear, I believe the simultaneously both very real and very illusory notions of American primacy are both a product of national character, and a massive accident of happenstance, as usually happens to be true with history on a global scale. I am slightly bothered by all this--despite having brought it on myself--because in a few ways it changes the tenor of my comment from one which is simply pointing out the fact that America cannot actually have been "ALWAYS" the muscle, to one which is implicitly a message of crudely sublimated triumphalism.

In any case, if people actually read something so mindless and sinister into my comment, I apologize for it. My only purpose was, and remains (ie, I have no interest in chasing the skirts of this conversation around), to have made a point about the nature of changes within America, rather than a needless assertion of America's place in the world at large (a conversation I would not, if I were treating it, have done so briefly).

Also, John, just to point out something--China is not a 'superpower', economically or militarily. The point he was making is that since the disbanding of the Soviet Union (which in terms of scale and weight-to-throw-around earned the phrase in a way which China cannot quite yet), America has been the sole superpower, and this has distorted national affairs beyond all recognition, and confused foreign policy for America, the world, and is of especial interest to a President who happens to have come into command of a country at the center of the largest power vacuum since the disintegration of Napoleonic Europe. The interest China generates on the world stage is one which is centered around its potential as a country, potential to either flesh out or destabilize further the present power vacuum, a potential not yet manifested, in part because China has glaring problems within its own borders which impede their development, and in part because China has not yet fully developed (or even necessarily shown a wholehearted wish to develop) a direction in which to manifest. It's something they deliberately flirt with, and appear to be treating very practically, as it is a direction (once moved in) which is hazardous to the extreme.

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^ The insinuation that Norway delivered a snub to China and the Obama quote were not intended to be read jointly as implying anything about China's status or power.

To nudge things towards context, the award was conferred alongside one for Liu Xiaobo, the Chinese dissident, you remember him. Norway and China don't exactly get along nowadays.

...but you know, I am an idiot; I said Sweden but actually meant Norway. Oslo, etc. -.-

thank god this is the internet, where noone will hound me for minor presentation errors.



the phrase you actually used in the earlier post, in the mouth of another, would've come across as grandstanding ameri-centric inanity. fortunately I do generally expect something more sophisticated from you, so i broached it mostly out of curiosity. i suppose i should've let it slip, really, since it doesn't do a board, or a discussion, any good to have me playing Reading Everything at Face Value Police.


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Ah, I see, now. My thinking was to point out that it wasn't necessarily a grandstanding inanity on Obama's part, either, to have said that, so much as an admission of stance which is necessarily both confused and confusing, one which he has to sort through. I only listened to the speech once, though, back when he got the award, and can't be relied upon totally in this.




And, in reality, it doesn't brook well for an American to so easily state things, no matter how well he knows the people in the conversation, the world stage being what it is.

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this is unfortunately nothing new or surprising.

america has been lacking for a very long time, from its school system to its culture. foreign countries place much more significance on getting a good education. the need to catch the state is so great that growth is happening faster then ever before. china has an absurd growth rate. the culture is so turned away from education and learning in general that america will fall as a supper power because other countries will out advance them. america has always been promoted as the place to go for bright minds. all throughout history smart people have gone there to practice their field. so america has been in the business of importing intelligent minds.

with any country with long superiority there is a point where stagnation occurs. this is what is happening in the states. they have a misconception that they will always be on the top and instead spend to their own personal desires rather then to continue with growth. the education part is worrying, and ive seen statistics on the rate of decline of education and its very troubling. perhaps if the government didnt cut so deeply from from education budgets and perhaps if culture didnt shy away from education then it could be improved.

needless to say the powerhouse of the future will be countries like india and the states, perhaps even ones like saudi arabia. there is one tidbit of information to keep in mind. with the advent of new and better technologies its become increasingly easier to catch up to high preforming countries. what originally took 150 years to create is now accessible on the web. whats difficult is to craft beyond the gap. even with a plateau of developing countries there is still the mater of cultural education. these countries will outpace us just in that alone.

the future will be a very interesting place.

amendment: after some further reading it would seam that china is a great power rather then a superpower. i dont doubt that they will reach superpower status at some point.

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