Let's say you have a feeling or a concept that you are trying to describe but don't know if there is a word for it and if so what that word is. This topic is to help each other locate the word if it exists or to come up with one.

For example, does anyone know a word to describe what this topic is about? Maybe there are already websites dedicated to this kind of thing.

Now the reason that I created this just now is because I am looking for a word to describe the philosophical or psychological recognition of a culmination reaching fruition in which the sensation of subconcious prophecy has been demonstrated to be fulfilled and momentarily comprehended. I am looking for this word especially to describe the particular case of original genre and generational specific designations which form plural genetic basis for an eventual synthesis which when achieved reveal an indication of universal meaning embedded in particular examples. An important aspect of this is the redefinition of meaning applied to memory recognition of an original sampling in view of actual realization due to an actual historical record and an actual universal means of communication.

For example, I have always loved this song from 1991 back when I was in my dance music heydey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjw8e_AKVcs

I never knew it was a remake of an original heavy metal song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OiMboi7wgE


But to me it isn't simply that it is just a cover in a different genre. In a sense that is giving too much importance to the song itself. Rather it is that the song is moreso a tool to exemplify the genre itself. You can really see this by clearly focusing on the videos as well as the music.

But the genres are themselves really moreso important to facilitate a universal eco-sociological harmony which in a sense demonstrates that we are acting in accordance with evolution demonstrating that there is some universal principle in evolution that now allows us all (at this technological moment of evolution) to see that when we had looked at others in the past from a different genre or from a different generation we only had an external understanding of their personal meaning but now we realize that the meaning is universally embedded in our core and with our relationship with the environment and because the core has reached a point to demonstrate this we can now understand what others have been trying to say all along because it is the same thing we have been trying to say with respect to our core but not with respect to our environment and yet it has never been truly available to our perspectives until the environment itself has become comprehensive, i.e. until internet demonstration as a record and publication of our private meaning and now that necessary time has passed to contrast where we once were and where others once were and all are now.

In other words if you look at either video and laugh at the 'outdated' styles you won't be perceiving the legitimate seriousness of what was originally produced as these styles are in a sense timeless when understood from a serious comprehensive point of view. In short it seems like back in the day we were all expressing ourself in a prophetic mode and yet no one from competeing genres or generations seemed to give much credit to each other but now we see we all in a sense were accurately predicting the future.

Is there a word for this?

I use my powers of foresight to prophesy this thread will one day make it into the Topics of Lore.

I'm going to go away for awhile. When I come back, I will read it 5 more times, at least, before answering.

look at my title. Even I couldn't get what you were saying very well. However, I think the word (or words in this case) has recently been defined by science. No surprise you may not have heard of it. It's currently known as the "Aha! Moment"
This is not a complete definition as what you want also has commonalities with the "eureka moment." Another close word would be "Epiphany." Though, something tells me this was only the starting point of this feeling emotion.

the second part of your post seems to define the concept of Historical Perspective. And your are seeming to have a transposition of your ego into the understanding of those people at that time while at the same time seeing how their point in history is contrasting with your own temporal perspective on the era. I also got to this point once...but it took some REALLY good weed to put my mind in the proper mental mode.

in the end I think you should try to simplify the language of your description, even if it takes longer to describe it. I hope this at least sends you in the correct direction.

No.

That is all.

I'm trying to think of a word too. It describes that phenomenon when you write a whole bunch of 'big' words in an attempt to look like you're saying something important when you're really not saying anything at all.

Anyone?

Beuller?

The funny thing is TTC, that even though you disagree with my suggestion to him you really hit on the point I was trying to make while also trying to be nice about it.

I'm trying to describe a very real phenomenon that I am experiencing. I was trying to capture it not in 'big words' but in 'proper words'. It is moreso drawn to broad machine language so as to indirectly or subconciously trigger thoughts rather than just spell out some common way of stating it, thereby collapsing the meaning to a more or less literal interpretation.

Since there is resistance to the way I originally expressed myself, here is a revision.

I am talking about a realization that starts with the notion that we are subconciously expressing ourselves usually by partaking in the form of genres and generationally. In the musical case one might be a head banger, another a goth, another into hip-hop, etc. When we do this we tend to distance ourselves from people who partake of genres we don't like and flock around those with similar interests. I am also talking about generations. In the case of non-relatives, senior citizens don't often hang out with thirty year olds and forty year olds don't often hang around with teens.

Then you have people go through years of actual time where they now have become something different then who they once were. They have in a sense 'grown out' of their genres and there previous generation because they are now at the age of a different generation than before and because they start to hang around people less who they used to hang around because in a sense the environment has changed. They also start to hang around others who used to be much less like themselves. Everyone becomes more mainstream or begins to embrace the reality that the only genre that really truly exists is eclecticism. Then you have something like the internet with access to music videos and social networking that shows that everyone was in a sense playing a game in their youth thinking of their worlds as the most important world never realizing that we are all in a single world and that particular genres and particular generations are only incomplete parts of that single world. Something like the internet and the actual passage of time so as to recall transitional memory allows one a philosophical or psychological realization that deep down, we are all pretty much the same but our evolution through the process is genuine but relatively somatic and unconcious. However it seems that if we look to the past, we kind or realize that everyone seemed to know this all along and now we seem to have an appreciation of our similarity to each of us simply going through life rather than trying to make something out of it.

The feeling that I am seeking to name is the understanding that everyone knew from the start that there was nothing new under the sun except to "live life". It was an unspoken prediction. Now that we have the universal means of communication (i.e. the internet) and the actual historical record (i.e. the history of each of our lives between then and now) we can see that almost everyone no matter how different than us...you know I keep trying to figure out what I mean in this last paragraph and it doesn't seem like what I originally thought. I'll leave it there for now. Maybe you can get what I am saying and/or help me with this from what I already wrote.

EDIT: It could be that we all begin to realize that even though we have very different personal meaning from each other we all have essentially the same purpose. And as people develop more mature perspective, they start to communally recognize the futility of trying to relate to others meaningfully and the importance of trying to relate to others purposefully. I don't know.

Does anyone have a word for an individual in a socially oriented online application that has reoccurring tendencies to bring up unnecessarily complex and generally pointless philosophical ideas, especially when said individual knows that said social online application isn't one based off of philosophical discussion but the entertainment of interactive media, all the while knowing that there isn’t a real answer to the overly worded question in the first place?

B. The Industrial Revolution

Since simple mistake=topic of lore, I don't doubt it.

I think the word you're looking for is 'perspective', although since you're trying to give words to feelings, the translation is difficult, if not impossible.

i'd call it 'bo'. because it's something specific to bo and nobody else has experienced the exact same events as bo and won't come to any of the same conclusions which is probably why there isn't a word for it. (i say probably because it could also be the way north america came about bastardised nearly every good word english ever had.)

@lantis - recent research into this phenomenon has revealed that it could possibly be another 23 years before it happens again!

is there a word for annoying yourself by doing something then being all smart and stopping but then kind of forgetting and doing it again then suddenly remembering why you stopped doing it then *double-facepalm*ing?

@Lantis
If you don't like it, change the channel. I created this 'General Discussion' topic. I am not invading anyone else's. And contrary to your assertions I am actually soliciting help for the real answer. I don't know if there is one or not. I see however that this example is not working so we move on.

@All
OK fine, let's get to an apparently less controversial example. Does anyone when they are thinking about something see a sort of "mental wallpaper" in their mind of real world places they have spent time? At my old work place when I would read up on one thing I would picture (without trying) the playground where we had recess as a kid, then if I would read something else I would picture my aunt's dining room, then something else and I would picture the corner by my apartment building. So apparently these things were not all from my childhood but they all were real world places that I have seen and can identify that were attached respectively to different (apparently unrelated) things I was reading. It was interesting because it seemed like given ideas consistently triggered an unrelated real-world image as a mental desktop or mental wallpaper to form a background while I pondered what I was reading. Anyone ever experience this?

Your proposed new example seems like it has absolutely nothing to do with your original example. If it does, then you are very poorly explaining it.

Either way, telling a mod to "change the channel" is pretty ridiculous. We have to pay attention to everything.

If anything, you should take the hint that nobody here appreciates your thread and YOU should change the channel (in this case, find a different forum) until you find one that suits this kind of thread.

Your inability to contextualize what does and does not fit this forum has always been a persistent reason why your posts are never taken seriously. I've explained this to you in a different way via PM before.

My proposed new example is not related to my first example nor does it need to be. The first line of my first post is:

"Let's say you have a feeling or a concept that you are trying to describe but don't know if there is a word for it and if so what that word is. This topic is to help each other locate the word if it exists or to come up with one."

So this topic is meant to be a place for all of us to help each other find a word to name whatever each of us are describing. It is intentionally meant to cover plural examples not just the first example mentioned.

I'll "take the hint" that no one appreciates my thread when nobody answers it at all. N.L.Y, Staffy, and 1ce are not "nobody". They at least attempted a positive response. And for those of you that don't appreciate me, I see no reason why I can't at least post without such negative feedback. You guys could just ignore me and let those of you who want or are willing to communicate with me do their thing.

In other words I get it, some of you don't like, don't take me seriously and/or wish I wasn't here but I still haven't heard any reason why I must stop expressing myself or attempt to communicate with others in a relatively reasonable way. I can't believe you guys are this belligerent about me simply posting something in my own topic.

EDIT: And I do get it. I moved on to a much more reasonable example with the "mental wallpaper". It was quickly described and more intuitive. I hope some of you guys can give me that credit.

NLY said nothing of the sort. Staffy was belittling you [while trying to be nice about it].

So, you have one person who gave you a semi-decent reply.

Grats.

Really connecting with a forum of people, there.



Remember how I called you on trying to save face before? You're doing it again.

You didn't specify that you were leading into a completely new idea, nor is it even implied, as the use of "another example", every single time, implies another example of the previous idea not a new one.

Given your command of English, I can only assume you knew that.

Here's a nifty little flowchart I made in a minute outlining why there should have been a relation, and why the lack of one creates confusion.





You bring it on yourself.

Bo, let me save you from your self here. You are doing a noobish thing. I know you are trying to sound "literate" and "deep" and also trying to contribute to the philosophical betterings of this forum, but "find me a word to describe (X)" topics rarely work, are never fun for the people who have to find the GD effin' word or come up with one. It leads to nasty arguments and people always end up looking stupid if the actual word is ever found. In short, they are tedious and potentially volatile.
Now unless the word is a generally easy one to find, the definition one provides garners generally uniform results, and you have a damn good reason for posting it (like say trying to come up with a specific word for a game you are making, is a good example), I'd say ask the great and mighty GOOGLE.

now not only do you [i]not[i] have a really good reason for posting this (other than your own mental itch), but your definition is so ponderous and convoluted that it borders on vague. How can you expect to get a serious answer, let alone an accurate one, when your question is so muddled and cloudy?

@Stythe
I will not presume to know whether or not you truly believe I am (or have been) trying to save face or whether or not you are simply trying to "win" a debate and make me look bad. I know EXACTLY what I intended when I created this topic and if I didn't communicate that to you as best as possible then "oh well". The last thing I am going to do is waste my time worrying that my words are so air tight that Stythe cannot construe them otherwise. I am just trying to express myself. Call it "save face" till you are blue. I know what I am doing and what I have been doing.

I would invite you to instead of being so quick to say "gotcha" either by what you genuinely believe or what you can get away with, instead to think in terms of what I am saying, trust me for a minute and see if it is reasonable to believe that maybe I am telling you the truth. I will add one further example. You can treat it however you Stythe decide to treat it. The second line of my first post was:

"For example, does anyone know a word to describe what this topic is about? Maybe there are already websites dedicated to this kind of thing."

I feel that further demonstrates the the topic is about naming plural concepts not just the very first one I meant.

There is an alternative to belligerance. There is either non-belligerence or even silence. I may "bring on" something, but since we all have alternatives, YOU and others bring the belligerance.

@Staffy
Why is a mental itch not a good reason to post this? Am I the first person here to ever post their thoughts? The definition is intentionally broad and somewhat intentionally vague. That is why I can't go to GOOGLE to find a word to describe it. It needs feedback from what it triggers in the minds of fellow humans. I don't expect a single correct answer but I don't see the need for such negative feedback when silence is perfectly reasonable. Everyone is free to ignore my topic and even if moderators must scan the topic, they can easily say, "Oh that is Bo being Bo, but at least there are no flames, and it is the right forum and there are no double posts" and then they can after that, ignore it.

@All
I have been told that this is not the appropriate forum for philosophical conversations and therefore that I should look elsewhere. I have sent this original message to other forums as well including one in which I regularly engage philosophically. Yes the response there was much more friendly and much more helpful. However I didn't want to bias the thought to just the philosophically invested so I wanted to put it out there and see what I kind of response I would get from anyone in communication (as Socrates would have favored for a greater philosophical realization). I have for awhile understood that arguments in other people's post is unwelcome and if anyone fairly looks at my recent responses in other people's topics they will see that they are supportive with either no arguments or the most light of arguments to reasonably convey a point. I see no reason why my topic should have been treated with such animosity. However, it was. So it tells me either what you guys really think of me or something about each of you. Either way, it has become clear to me that it is futile for our interests, so I will stop communicating on this board with the exception of PM, RPGM help, and my studio.

This is the internet. THE INTERNET. How many times and how many ways do you need to be told that things don't work on the internet the way they would normally? The internet is, by nature, trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls. If you do ANYTHING that comes away from the "norm", whatever it may be depending on where within the internet you are, you are ASKING for "belligerence". Saying that the options are either don't say anything or be nice is overly dismissive and goes completely against what the internet stands for: freedom from social constricts.

You speak in overly abstract and far too convoluted ways, often employing bigger words where they aren't even necessary. This leads to people either misunderstanding what the hell you're trying to say, or leaving what you actually are saying open to such heavy interpretation that it could mean one of 50 billion different things depending on whether or not the reader ate cottage cheese that morning. Also it could depend on whether or not this year is a leap year, the moon is full, or Apple did something right for a change.



Really? That should be your top priority, since your posts are so heavily dependent on interpretation. But, you know, we all know clarity isn't really your forte anyway. 'Sokay. You can go circle jerk with other like-minded individuals who enjoy getting mind raped by nonsensical jargon, and we'll all be happier for it.



No. Anybody who "trusts" anything you say is asking for a fistful of stupid. Your problem with clarity makes it impossible to believe anything you say, because any time anybody ever brings up a hole in something you say you've already left yourself such massive get out of jail free cards lying around on the floor covering everything up. You weasel your way out of every one of your failures of articulation because of this.

Trusting you is like trusting a hooker not to give me STDs if I go bareback.



And I captured that thought in the cute little flowchart. You would never have had this issue at all if you explicitly said it was a totally new idea and not "another example", which leads.. I already went over this.



If you're not surrounded by people who appreciate such communication, this is ANYTHING BUT A GOOD IDEA. Reasons why are prevalent through this entire thread as well as pretty much every other thread you've ever made.



No consensus being reached on a single answer, in every discipline, leads to tension between people who contend different things. See 0/0, Evolution vs Religion, any psychological analysis of homosexuality's origins, or any other "hot" topic in any discipline.

Philosophy often being the discipline that makes the most ground in virtually every unexplored subject is, obviously, not immune to this. I can't even imagine where you got the idea you could get away with posting this sh*t and not get met with resistance on the internet.



This is you relying on another get out of jail free card. It earns you no respect, and nobody grants you the point you would earn if we were cool kids playing a game. You told a mod to get out, I told you to shove it up your ass, and you reword it to make it sound like you were in the right.

Like. You. ALWAYS. Do.



Hey, do you ever pay attention to religion/evolution debates?

Do you ever notice how religious evangelists like to ask less educated people about the specifics of whatever they believe, usually evolution, and like to tout the retarded untrue crap people believe about evolution as holes in it?

Asking people who have no investment in a field about very specific things within that field is just like that.

This sh*t has no place here, whether it's in GD or not. We simply don't have a membership that can facilitate these kinds of discussions, and yet you've persisted until now anyway.



Because you still don't get it.



Those two things are the same thing. FYI.



Glad to hear it. It was (not so) great having you, and I hope you one day understand how to use the internet. Also I'm going to lol if/when you reply to this again.

I hereby declare this day: Bo-andependance day. In-joke.

Seeing as he previously stated that he won't be posting in anything other than his studio and his Dev and Help, I don't think he'll reply. So I'm throwing the padlock on this b*tch.