Oh I really couldn't care less what the actual reason were. They're already very apparent. Honestly I just enjoy feeding you from time to time. It can be very amusing on a boring day to watch you take the slightest pieces of contention and try to twist them into an actual argument.

Really, most of us have no problem with an argument in a topic because between most of us they're usual very short lived or just transfer over to pms. In fact, I'd go sa far as to say that this topic only really helps you out. You're just about the only person who has a problem with frequent argumentation and would need to resort to having a thread that could house all of your numerous contentions.

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tl;dr

We all know you like to argue. Stop making excuses and just keep spitting your opinion out. You haven't been banned for it yet, so more than likely you won't be. At least, you won't if you don't do anything stupid.

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Oh and btw, I seriously hope everyone on this forum is intelligent enough to know that if you ever respond to Bo or make an counter claim it just ends up feeding him. I personal don't care cause it amuses me from time to time, but anyone who gets annoyed by it should just take the wisest course of action from the very start. Ignore it.

@ShadowFox 1001

I actually think you misunderstand my original post. This place was always meant to continue the argument, hence calling it "perpetual argumentation", not merely "complaint forum". Even the quote you refer to indicates that (at least to me) as such.

If I am also understanding you correctly, you are wrong that no one told me we couldn't argue in the topic itself. Stythe threatened to end the cheating topic if we didn't go back on topic. So I addressed that here.

I never said that I could do you job better than you. I implied that some mods could do their job better than they are doing. Where it becomes my buisness is when those mods talk to me or other Magonians in a derogatory way. Do you really think that is accepatable.

@Kajakfaucon
I don't know what you mean by "excuses" but if you think this topic only helps me, then see the post above by the Xix to Lausen. I dare say it helped him.

Whenever you are so inclined to amuse yourself, I'll be here and ready to respectfully argue...

Why is my post gone? Kajak's allowed to essentially troll in this topic and outright admit it, and my post defending myself from a flame gets edited and removed? I also noticed that Lausen's original rant and reply here were edited as well.

To whoever did that, way to go rewriting history there.

When did you post that message?

I did have to restore the forums from a backup, so something might have happened.

He posted it before the change.

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:56 pm

Yeah. there is no conspiracy here, though I know you were hoping for one. *Twilight Zone theme*

Someone edited the wording of Lausen's original post in RMDH to try and make me look like the aggressor. They did the same thing here, editing out his rant against me from the quote and completely obliterating my defense. Lausen's response to my defense was also altered in an effort to make him look angelic and make me look bad. Content was removed. None of the content here before or after the Lausen incident was altered or removed.

Dude, there are only FOUR people who can edit posts as mods/admins in GD and that's Ixzion, Lantis, Me, and Stythe. Ixzion has other things to worry about than to make you look bad, nor would he abuse his power, same for Lantis. I wouldn't edit anyone's posts in such a manner because there wasn't anything offensive to warrant deleting. Stythe hardly gives a sh*t and wouldn't completely change people's posts just for this kinda sh*t.

So what do you want? A f*cking candy bar? Mama's tit? Lausen can only edit his own posts, so maybe he editted his post, which I wouldn't know. Look man, you're 40 years old and you're letting someone get to you like this? You're letting a thing like this get to you? I'm pretty sure there are people that probably don't like you, and to be honest, I really don't. But I don't have a reason to edit the post to make you look like a fool. I don't know what happened, it could have been part of the upgrade, I don't have a f*cking clue. But you need to chill the f*ck out about this incident. As far as I know, no one touched your post. Again, you're 40. I expected more maturity and an adult perspective coming from someone of your age. I must be clearly mistaken.

And yes, this post may be out of line, but I'm saying what I'm thinking and some of it probably needed to be said. So, if firing needs to be done, do so.

Me. For someone who spends so much time talking about random sh*t on this forum, you apparently don't take in much. Most people call me lone, even at the pav.



I told you to drop the subject for two reasons:

1) You were showing a complete lack of understanding of what anarchy is and strives to do.
2) I have nothing against the exchange of ideas, because that is what the vast majority of human progress has been based on. I do, however, have a problem with exchanging ideas based on falsification. If ideas are to be exchanged, they are to be backed with education whether achieved acedemically or otherwise.



That's my job. You have a problem with that? Telling the thread to go back on topic was a comment completely detached from all other writing contained in my post. Additionally, I can't take everything to PM specifically because doing so would result in stealth moderation which is a large complaint presented by 4chan users on a frequent basis - they see no moderation, so they assume it isn't happening.

You need to see me doing my job, and trying to say otherwise is pretty asinine.



See previous set of quotes.



See previous set of quotes.



The whole point of moderation is not for one person to see the job being done: it's for everybody to see that the administration of a board is making an active effort to keep the board running in a relatively smooth manner. If I wanted you to know exactly what my problem is with some random comment or entire post that you have made on a personal level, you would know through other means.



Once again, it seems you're lacking the understanding you need to even made a valid point.


As a final note, I'm starting to find this thread relatively useless. Complaints about the forum or its moderating team can be made in the suggestions forum after they have been properly articulated into a suggestion for future changes. Having a thread with the specific purpose of arguing about stuff from other threads could just lead to problems we don't really want laying around.

On top of that, if an argument has been shut down somewhere else - there is a solid chance it was shut down for a reason. Bringing it up elsewhere seems much more like insubordination of a mod or admin's decisions.

I'm going to leave this open for now. I would like the input of other users on this before I go ahead and close it down.

Xix

Looking back yeah I came off as a douche, but I guess you calling a game a “mishap” (even if I took it out of context) irked me the wrong way. I know your past history at the Pav (in which I didn’t have anything to do with) and I know you took a lot of criticism. Knowing that, you are the last person I expected to see calling a game “mishap.”

Just so you know, I had nothing to do with editing out anything. There would be a last edited thing on the bottom of the post. In fact a lot of my posts are weird now. As you can see.
http://www.rpgmmag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=6586
http://www.rpgmmag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=7238

Is this because of the switch? Will I have to go through and repost some of the more important posts, like the game forum ones?

@Stythe
I'm still not persuaded you are in any better a position to address the meaning of "anarchy". In other words you don't even get to decide for me and Sarah's Knight that we MUST appeal to authority on the matter. Who are you to tell us that the only way we can even talk about it is if we first appeal to authority for the proper meaning? Your are just someone, and not even someone I was talking to. Maybe if we were talking to you I would say OK, fine contingently as grounds for fair communication, but since you butted in, I still maintain that I am allowed to exchange ideas about the meaning of words to others if not even to see that I am initially wrong in my definition.

But for the record I could care less about the word. I was simply giving a brief functional definition to say that I wasn't an anarchist. If you are that religious or purist about its defintion, I don't care unless you have merit within the argument (i.e. tell me where I am in error WITH RESPECT to the defintion. You never did. You simply declared that I had a false understanding and never backed up as to why yourself). If you simply threaten to silence me if I otherwise don't do as instructed to stop talking about, not because I was off-topic but because I had such a "false understanding" of the word according to you then I regard your comments to have no weight pertinent to the topic (or off topic as it were) at hand. So yes, I shouldn't go off topic but regarding the meaning of the word itself, you provided me with no useful insight other than that I now know that you in particular don't approve of the way I treat the word. OK. Noted.

As to tracking the work of a Mod off-topic within a post or via PM, I'll leave that up to personal preference to decide which is the best method now that I have been able to express my opinion on the matter. I respect the reasons that you presented but I myself still do not prefer the Mod going off-topic even once to criticize going off-topic over the PM. I have expressed my view and obviously it is up to Ixzion to treat it as he sees fit.

EDIT: I correct myself. You didn't threaten to silence me. You simply commanded me to stop talking about it by "TELLING" me not to. END EDIT

@ShadowFox1001
I think that the way you treated the Xix was not only very, very rude but also hypocritical. You have the awareness and the capacity to expect more from him and yet you don't of yourself. He is the one letting a thing like this get to him? He is the one who needs to chill out? It seems as though you are saying because of his age he needs to have more maturity and act like an adult but because of your age, you can speak out of emotion, react with ridicule, and not even apologize later? I myself strongly disagree. Obviously I do not expect you to agree but it is what I continue to maintain.

@Whoever it may concern
Yeah, the Xix had a beautifully lucid argument posted in this topic that has somehow soley disappeared. This has happened to me once before and is extremely frustrating. The only thing I know is that I didn't remove it. I make no accusations but I consider it a serious matter. I hope it isn't treated lightly.

For one, you probably don't know the whole thing. His attitude stems from his game getting criticized (some may have not been good, but some were constructive). However, he took this all as negative, believing that his game was good as is and couldn't handle the criticism. So, he said he was going to leave the Pav, which he did and came here. Basically, being critical is not going to make people happy, but criticism happens and people need to understand that feedback will not always be positive. I know people here have heavy criticisms of me, which I certainly know you do, but do I get defensive and get upset and think people are out to get me because it's not all sunshine and rainbows? No, not at all. I could really give two s**ts about people's opinion of me, ESPECIALLY on a website. So, the problem here is that he was getting mad because there was opposition and someone had challenged him and not agreed with him, and with the strange occurrence, he just wanted to assume people were out to get him.

For two, I'm telling him to chill out about this situation for the fact that this was more than likely a result of a mishap of the forums since the 4 people other than himself that could mod his post would have no intention. And say what you want about my response to him and the matter of age, I figured a person like you would try to find a way to make me look like a hypocrite. But you know what? I am. You are too. We all are. That argument f*cking throws itself out in and of itself. I reacted with the emotion I did because it was to strike the point home that he was not understanding, and plus he has conducted himself in this manner when he feels like people aren't being motherly to him. In this world, you gotta learn to f*ckin take the hits or you won't survive in a world that deals you criticism from time to time. And apologize? I will not apologize for something that I mean. EVER. He was allowed to speak out and convey his emotion, and he did. But I was telling him that this is probably nothing and tried to. But he kept pushing because he was looking for some kind of justice.

And three, this is NOT a SERIOUS matter. Considering the fact that I know that Ix, Lantis, and I have not even TOUCHED a person's post in a long time unless it was to correct something (like sentences that were incoherent) or something menial like that. We don't edit people's posts because we don't like someone, which was also my point, and he was insinuating that somebody did it, more than likely me. Stythe wouldn't do it either. So, serious? No. It's a mishap, not some f*cking conspiracy.

But if you wanna gun for me in this topic, f*ckin' unload. I don't give a f*ck.

This thread is now judged lacking.

And, no, that doesn't mean go ahead and make another thread to b*tch about random crap from other threads.


In closing for current topics open here -

Xix:

Nobody edited your posts.

Lausen:

Nobody edited your posts.


I don't really give a damn who did what to who or who said what and why, or what happened to anything either of you said. To be really frank, I highly doubt anybody else cares either. We can't explain what happened because we simply don't know. The best explanation we have to offer is that forum upgrading caused some fragmentation of data which may or may not be recoverable; however, I highly doubt anybody gives enough halves of a sh*t to do it.

Xix, honestly, grow up. I mean that in both the most insulting way and the most supporting way. Your reaction has been ridiculous and I'm honestly saddened to see you flip a lid so drastically over something like this.

Lausen.. I don't have a problem with you. Stay cool.

Bo -

I have no reason to explain my stance on anarchy or my understanding of it. The fact is, really, you have the wrong one. If this were any, and I mean ANY, group of peers in a serious setting (IE anything that has survived the scientific method of peer review) your claim of it would have been tossed out the window long ago with nothing but a laugh. You should be glad I even gave you the time of day it took to give you any kind of explanation as to why you were shot down.

If you were seriously trying to spark intelligent discussion, I think you've come to the wrong place. I'm not saying anybody here is lacking in that department, though, so nobody needs to take that the wrong way. I am, however, saying that we do not have a proper home for the types of discussions you seem to be looking for. I do honestly suggest you find a forum specifically made for people to bang metaphorical horns together, because you might find people that actually give a damn there.

In very, very simple terms: you are completely ridiculous. THAT is something on a more personal level, for the record.

As for this thread and all its purposes:

As I said, if you (subjective) have been coming to this thread (or plan to come to this thread in the future) to gripe about things on the forum that you dislike or don't agree with, feel free to present your case in the suggestions forum once you have to turned it into a proper suggestion.

If you have come here just to continue debates or arguments that were either closed or relocated due to being off-topic, don't even bother. We'll have no more of that here.

Thanks, and good night.