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PostPosted: August 19th, 2007, 5:51 pm 
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It's easy to criticize the opposite sex, but how about your own?

In other words, are you guilty of something that other guys or girls respectively are known for? Do you feel bad about it? Why don't you change it? In what ways do you wish people of your own sex would be more like you?

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*sigh* Where to start? Oh yeah...

You know, its not that all guys only think about sex and are only trying to get into girls' pants, its just that the ones that do are the ones that stand out. I personally am not in the business of trying to get laid. Though, because I am only a man, sex does tend to enter my thoughts, it is not always at the forefront of my mind. And I've seen way too many girls' opinions of men hurt by this stereotype.

Another thing is the massive amount of possessiveness you see in a lot of guys. She's your girlfriend, dude, not a doll. I'm in the business of treating any girl I go out with (and anyone for that matter) like a human being.

Again, just like with the sex thing, those impulses are there. They are part of a natural working of the male brain (your actual brain, thank you. I know what you were thinking!) The problem is, situations where and when they were actually meant to be USEFUL, are rarer. That, combined with our society somewhat lacking in the morals department, has caused many of us men to direct these impulses in less constructive channels.


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Most men treat women like goddesses, when most of them don't deserve it.

They will sell just about anything and everything they have, possessions and more intangible things, like honor and respect for themselves, just to land a little vagina (and in most cases, only the potential of vagina).

They trust what a random woman says over any man, no matter what.

When there's a woman involved, few men will listen to reason.

A man would kill another man upon the word of a woman without asking for justification.

Too many men let women boss them around like children.

Too many men care what women think of them, and thus are afraid to put women in their place.

I do not talk out of my ass, because (besides killing anyone) I am guilty of all of these things in the past.

It is a mistake I have rectified and my life has been multiples better since then.

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I hate that when (some) men get rejected or dumped by a woman, they immediately contemplate or attempt suicide.

I don't like how men don't wash their hands after they use the bathroom, whether they pee or dump.

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I think Ixzion pretty much just summed up everything I would have said.

Men really do revert to caveman like logic whenever a woman is involved. I've been guilty of that myself before... I've since corrected the issue after I've seen how many friends and family members get pushed out of one's life over a single person.

I also hate men who hit women... which seems to be quite common now a days. Actually phyiscal violence in a relationship isn't a relationship at all. And seeing as you don't see women physically abusing their guys, it's stereotyipically a male aspect.

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Just to let women know...That myth that men think about sex every # minutes/seconds....Not true.

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I think Ixzion pretty much just summed up everything I would have said.

Men really do revert to caveman like logic whenever a woman is involved. I've been guilty of that myself before... I've since corrected the issue after I've seen how many friends and family members get pushed out of one's life over a single person.

I also hate men who hit women... which seems to be quite common now a days. Actually phyiscal violence in a relationship isn't a relationship at all. And seeing as you don't see women physically abusing their guys, it's stereotyipically a male aspect.


You're woefully wrong on that one, man. Women be smacking the hell outta dudes, and there's no way to defend yourself because you'd go to jail if you smacked her back. Women know this.

I dislike the fact that men can't defend themselves from women because other men will beat them up.

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I don't like when men bend themselves over for women. I've got a friend, he started dating and now he's all cute and lovable and decent and a typical boyfriend in love. I went through it last year, I got all love-will-save-the-world and that cute stuff... you know what I'm talking about, something like an 'ideal goodness'.

It's like a loss of identity. Dude, remember who you are before you decide to change.


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I hate girls that are "catty, bitchy, stuck up snots." I don't like women who judge you by the way you dress. Even my own mother I get mad at for poking fun at the way people dress in public. She thinks its a big game. When its something very hurtful. :(

I've had more women try to steal from me then the men in my life. I have a very hard time trusting a woman over a man. I can also be open an honest with a man about anything. Women take things too personally and they think there sh*t don't stink. Where I am personally proud to announce that I got some really smelly sh*t. Most of my guy friends are able to respect that and are even able to relate.

I also think that women play wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy to many head games.
I know men do it too. But women are much more into the games. And that
is just WRONG!

Over all. I like people who are very open minded. I feel that most girls are not.

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Well the most things i hate about girls (My friends at school), i sthey like to gossip and all that stuff. They always talk about someone's boyfriend and this and related things. They also judge people from appearence and try to discriminate between good looking people and the ugly ones.

And also... When they gossip they always whisper and whisper. Somehow when my friends are whispering i always get the feeling of being gossipped. I never know what they were talking about. And they're really secretive sometimes >__<

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You're woefully wrong on that one, man. Women be smacking the hell outta dudes, and there's no way to defend yourself because you'd go to jail if you smacked her back. Women know this.

I dislike the fact that men can't defend themselves from women because other men will beat them up.



... I completely agree with you on that one, Ix. I don't really remember ever seeing it for myself in real life, but I have at least seen it on television from time to time a woman using physical violence against a man in some way or another, and instead of it being considered wrong there would be this general air of "You go girl!" about the whole situation.
... Meh.





Still, there is something about my own gender that consistently irks me. Put simply, men simply do not know how to speak in the presences of women. *sigh* Yes, I realize that these days there a lot of women who could care less about whether you act like a gentleman or not, but still ... perhaps it is just me.

For instance, earlier this morning, I was out with the rest of my entomology class, roaming about one of thos eplant nursuries looking for butterflies (don't ask ....), and for most of the time I happened to be walking alongside a girl whom I considered to be one of the more delicate, feminine types. Therefore, when the other guys in the class began talking all manner of filth in unnecessarily loud voices (as what happens in all agriculture-related classes that I take), I couldn't help but feel a little self-conscious in the girl's immediate presence, even though I wasn't joining in on the other guys' talking.

I don't mean to be preachy, and I am not trying to say that I haven't ever made the mistake of cursing or uttering a sexual ennuendo or something else improper in front of a girl before, but still, this kind of thing really irks me.

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I think that you underestimate the number of women who also take part in cursing and sexual refrences... Even the more timmid looking women.

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I don’t like how much importance women have in men’s lives or for their happiness. It seems that men either rely on female affirmation too much by treating them like goddesses or by treating them like crap, in either case so that the men themselves can feel good about their respective relationship to the female. This doesn’t even touch on the reliance on women for physical affirmation.

I think many men need to have better hygiene.

I think that many men are hypocrites by championing logic, reason, and control over emotion, but cannot substantiate a justification to remain homophobic.

I think that too many men do not realize how ACTUALLY physically attractive are older women, females who do not have an ‘ideal’ body type, or females whose fashion sense and/or musical genres differ from their own.

I think too many men fail to embrace their emotions properly.

I think too many men fail to treat men and women consistently when they should be treated consistently (tipping a waitress more than a waiter; not requiring female friends to pull out change to get themselves something from the vending machine, but still requiring the male friends to pay for themselves; asking a male friend to do something for them or to give help, but not burdening the female friend, etc.)

I think too many men do not defend their right to be videogamers.

Lastly, and maybe most importantly, I think too many men hate women for something that women did not ask for (to be an object of desire to those particular men who they simply are not interested in).

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I really would like to stress the first point you made. You really hit the nail on the head.

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I really would like to stress the first point you made. You really hit the nail on the head.


Thanks.

Unfortunately I myself am guilty of what I don't like about men in this regard. I still marvel at your ability to 'do without' female affirmation. Much of me wishes I could be this way, but I'm really not sure how. I treat women more like godessess than like crap, but I don't like this about myself...somewhat.

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I don't often see anything more than a sharp slap across the shoulder... but I don't doubt you.


Understatement...

Clawing, slapping, taunting.

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Lantis wrote:
I really would like to stress the first point you made. You really hit the nail on the head.


Thanks.

Unfortunately I myself am guilty of what I don't like about men in this regard. I still marvel at your ability to 'do without' female affirmation. Much of me wishes I could be this way, but I'm really not sure how. I treat women more like godessess than like crap, but I don't like this about myself...somewhat.


The way it happened for me is that I got tired of being called a good man and no woman showing appreciation for it. I did the Niceguy thing. Most of these women view Niceguys as being weak and manipulative! "Oh, just because you act nice and take me out on a date, I'm supposed to give you some affection? I don't owe you anything!" Yeah, but some random asshole can treat them like they do, and they're head over heels. Why? Because those guys are considered honest. I'm not making this up.

It is easy, once you finally take the rose-tinted glasses off, and really start to look at what women do, not what they say, to lose respect for women. That respect that you have, is what keeps you treating them like goddesses. That respect is no longer a burden for me to bear. Consequentially, I no longer derive any worth from a random woman's opinion of me, good or bad. And the best part is, this now allows me to treat a woman more of an equal now than I had as a Niceguy. No Vagina Passes. :)

So I would say that I hate how men treat women like goddesses, when they want to be treated like equals. To do so otherwise would be sexist.

[spoiler]I will be treating my girl like a goddess...so long as she treats me like a god. :)[/spoiler]

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I appreciate your points but I have a couple questions.

You said, “The way it happened for me is that I got tired of being called a good man and no woman showing appreciation for it.â€

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I understand the frustration that men have with women who say one thing but then act differently. But if your opinion is that this is part of their nature (such that you can hate them as a whole), why do you lose respect for the women themselves instead of whatever created their nature (god, evolution, etc.)? Did they ask to be that way? Until I resolve this, I expect to respect women even if they are hypocritical because they didn’t create their nature any more than we created ours. Likewise, if they should be expected to change their nature, then why shouldn’t we be expected to change ours?


I've created some sort of theory regarding this subject, that I suspect is rather true, at least in Brasilian teenage society. And it also relates to the question of "what don't you like about people the same sex as you?"

Any woman, any age, can get a guy, as long as she has a minimum of body and appearance (which isn't hard). There are tons of desperate guys out there who will grab any woman who shows any interest in them. I'd say the age in which a woman can start to grab attention for herself is 13. Which really makes it extremely easy for a girl to get a guy.

The end result is that the woman's sexual education will happen much faster than the man's — and that leads to the false notion that 'women mature faster than men.' And the girl will certainly become aware of her 'powers', of how easily she can manipulate men. She becomes somewhat arrogant. She believes she actually has any 'powers'. And she grows up believing that.

This process is just something I observe very frequently in the teenager environment I live in. I believe it to contain the root of woman behaviour: it's not "natural" for woman to behave the way they do, it's something they learn through society. I don't think there's much we can do about it. At least while there are guys in their 20s manipulating teenagers. But who can blame them, really? Getting a drunk, foolish teenager to fall in love with you is easier than trying to get a real woman to like you.

And the foolish teenager soon won't be that foolish anymore, and then we're clucked. ^^


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