From previous topic of posts that were sort of half and half and still belonged in the other one:

^ stay on topic, you.

*mind deletes*

... hm. and actually, we do delete posts, if they're slightly off the topic we wanted to talk about in the Furry Pawpet thread, as i noted possibly maybe slightly happening the other day. *might be looking at OW*

Those posts were not deleted, they were moved.

If you look at my post I quoted Rodak.

I see no reason why his post was deleted or moved.

But I know OW.. Hes got a good reason for everything.

where 'moving' = 'removing from the thread'.

agreed, not deletion in the context of keeping records, but certainly pretty much exactly the same thing as deletion in the social context. imo selective post removal is stupid and annoying, and should only be considered as a last resort by those who cannot keep control of a civilised social situation. that's purely my opinion, though; feel free to ignore. <3

actually, i kinda think now that i should've PM'd Stythe if i had a problem, rather than unleashed the lynch mob to parade atop the corpse of a topic that some people were formerly enjoying. some things aren't ok, even with spoilers.

i'm sorry, folks, and i won't do it again.

You should be sorry!

In all honesty, each person is entitled to their opinion. While I wasn't here for this particular case, and it seems that Stythe may have been in the wrong on this particular case, I certainly do think that selective post removal (though archiving them in the particular forum we have set up) helps in the long run. Much better than closing the whole thread of an unrelated issue when things get out of hand.

Regarding the situation you are talking about that occurred in the Pawpet show thread, Regal, I removed the posts because I was in the wrong. That's right, even the admins are not infallible. I made rash statements after arriving home from a frustrating exam, and rather than have the situation spiral out of control, I removed the posts to preserve the topic. There was no offense to you, or to 1ce intended, and I apologize if it was interpreted that way.

Anyone who wants to discuss it further is more than welcome to PM or IM me. I am serious, I WANT to receive feedback and comments from you guys.

For now though, back to the topic at hand. Anime. woot.

yeah but what if someone who doesn't have admin powers does the same thing? they're stuck with their mistakes. in RL you can't just take back what you said, delete it out of everyone's minds or what. i'm thinkign that might be what regal means by social context?
like if someone comes into a thread and starts spamming it up with absolute junk like 'AMG ANIME HAS BIG BOOBS' and posts pictures of pr0n anime etc... that's fairly annoying and could be removed without disagreeance, i'd think. if you just make a simple social blunder then why should you get to delete it? it's practically a social blunder TO delete it. i've learned that one a bit harshly (even with how well my brain has been working lately =S and how well i tend to respond to people b*tching at me)

on another note, should we possibly split this thread a tad since it's REALLY gone off topic?

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acutally on getting the 'post since you started rambling' message I think I will...

sorry if this displeases any of hte masses *bows*

technically it could be interfering with social context, but at the same time there is some overpowering sense of order to follow.... and i figure that multiple people probably have strong opinions on this issue, so why not open discussion?

*offers tomatoes to throw for those who would rather i'd have shut up*

^ Very nice. I agree with this split thread.

Now we have two thread topics to talk about. Anime and why posts are being deleted.

Does scy have mod powers? If so, why? Last time I checked he's NOT a head mod anymore.

And I was irritated by your post in the pawpet show, where I asked a perfectly OK question and got a smart 'read the first post' response. So, that's why I made that smart comment. But later I saw you fixed the situation, so no harm done. We're good.

Not trying to downplay my initial response, because that was completely out of bounds, but there is no problem with what I did to alleviate it. If someone without mod powers chooses, they have an edit option to rectify their mistakes and when asked if a post will be removed, pretty much any of us will oblige without question if it caused further trouble, such as in this case, the off-topic bickering of myself and others. In essence, I did what anyone else could do to my own post, and then moved other posts that were off-topic.




While our alumni/honorary staff do still have forum admin powers, the grounds on which they are to be used is kind of shaky. The last official thing I heard was that honorary staff members were not to use their powers outright, unless in the case of obvious infractions (usually spambots, etc.).

And once again, I apologize to you, 1ce. There are no excuses for my actions.

stythe has mod powers cuz he's an oldie. (u know. old head of forums, yet hes still around. so hes classified as "special" cuz he still knows sh*t) that. and when talkin about anime around stythe...>_> better be careful. lawl.

My name is not Scy. Please read it carefully.

I know in the past that I have compared the Mag to a social thing not to be downgraded from RL, but in some ways, it has to be treated differently anyway.

Telling someone to read a dictionary is not an opinion.
Saying, with absolutely no backing, that of course its a cartoon is not an opinion.
Posting some random image with no relation and connecting it to Hulk Hogan.. well, this isnt the Spam Hammer.

If you give absolutely no grounding to your statement, then it becomes a statement of fact or absolution and given the forum the original thread was in, such an act would be completely unacceptable.

Given that and the fact that those posts being there serves absolutely no purpose other than a raised post count, I made the call to delete them. No, we can't do that RL, but at the same time - this is NOT RL. In this place, certain people DO have more ability to control things whereas RL, everybody is on the same level.

If there's a problem with getting rid of something utterly useless, then the lot of you need to stop being packrats.

Edit:: And while I'm an honorary staff member, I have the same powers as a normal Smod.
Edit2:: Sumi: We don't delete posts that need to be used as evidence for a banning. Even in RL law, how the law gets carried out is interpretive. This is not a banning offense, it is simply wasted space that has been removed. If you're going to compare this a RL social gathering, may as well go all th e way and go with rules. No where does it say anything about doing that, so, read your own rules I guess?

Understandable.

Forgive me for questioning your admin powers.

Good god. I come in from a movie into something like this?

Okay, let's get to work...



What is said here is correct. Honorary staffers are not active staffers. When the sh*t goes down, and there are no active staffers on the site, our grandpa staffers do have authority to act in the best interests of the community.

This was mentioned way back in May of this year in this topic:
http://www.rpgmmag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4549

Those who can see this topic should understand what it directly states. And under the topic, you should be able to read the extent of an honorary staffer's power.



He was absolutely correct in this part. I have said that I didn't want anything deleted, but I did only specify bannable offenses in this topic:

http://www.rpgmmag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3510

That is not what I meant, though: I don't want posts deleted ever for any reason except bots and porn. The reasoning is that if we ever need to defend our line of reasoning, deleting our posts burns up our evidence. It is a mistake on my part, though; Lone did admirably in upholding my words.

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A final thought.

I think there's a disparity between short opinions and lengthy opinions.

For instance, if there is a shirt that's a mix between fuchsia and light purple, then if someone said "That shirt is purple.", then that would be an opinion. For someone else, maybe they have the opinion that something could be settled by looking at a color chart.

But it is an opinion, in my standing.

Your right. But Rodak makes a good point.

Why not look at the dictionary? Why should the dictionary be over
looked if it has answers to questions?

I still don't think that was a bad thing to bring up. And that post
should have not been taken from the thread.

I think its cool that you still have your powers Stythe. You have done your part here when you where head. And you deserve something for the time you put in.

I wish real life jobs worked that way. Well, some do.

Edit:

Agreed..

If the dictionary was the end all be all answer to what everything is, definitions of things would never be revised.

Only the newest dictionary can be given any credit, because it will reflect the usage of the words within it to the most accurate point possible, which is only the time at which it was printed.

A dictionary is not unquestionable; as if it were, it would have never seen the additions of words taken from other languages. It wouldn't have words like D'oh printed in it. All a dictionary is is a catalog of words that are used in our language.

WE shape the dictionary by using words. The more a word catches on, the higher the likelihood of the word making it into daily use in the English language, which will in turn lead to it receiving an entry in our wonderful little dictionaries.

Consequently, it also reflects the current meanings words hold. Proof being simply looking at a dictionary printed in 07 and a dictionary printed in, lets say, 97. Or even 87. Certain words have CLEARLY evolved based on how they were most commonly used by US.

I may have lost my initial message somehow.. oh well.

On a completely random 'aside' type thought thing, I really think the English language needs to adopt the Japanese word "Natsukashii" (懐かしい for anyone with the encoding for it). Our closest match to its meaning is "Nostalgic", but they're not quite the same. Use Natsukashii more, and eventually it will make it into the dictionary! MWahaha.

Solid post, Lone.

your ability to engage critically with Rodak's point suggests to me that perhaps it wasn't so utterly useless.

i find it sorta funny that this latest section of the thread is all about the content of Rodak's post. I find it funnier to think about how he's gonna react to all this defence of and debate over him; c'mon, he'll probably be mortified ^___^;;;

Very true...



The dictionary was Rodaks opinion. Even though at the time "to you" it did not seem like one.

I got his point. And Ix got his point. Thus the quote from Ix.

Stythe, if you wished to disagree with Rodaks "opinion" then thats fine. Because that would be YOUR OPINION! Like it is now.

So why again was his post deleted from an OPINION forum? I still don't understand....

.. Pointing someone toward a dictionary is not an opinion.

Why don't you see that?

If it's not your words, how is it an opinion?