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PostPosted: December 3rd, 2009, 1:38 am 
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This guy actually lives in the city over from me:

He's a 3-war vet: WWII, Korea, Vietnam! Man's a beast and they're telling him he can't fly the AMERICAN f*cking FLAG ON A FLAGPOLE?

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Col. Van T. Barfoot, a local Medal of Honor winner, is under the gun from his Henrico County community's homeowner association.

In a five-paragraph letter to Barfoot that he received yesterday, Barfoot is being ordered to remove a flagpole from his yard. The decorated veteran of three wars, now 90 years old, raises the American flag every morning on the pole, then lowers and folds the flag at dusk each day in a three-corner military fashion.

In a priority mail letter, the Coates & Davenport law firm in Richmond is ordering Barfoot to remove the pole by 5 p.m. Friday or face "legal action being brought to enforce the Covenants and Restrictions against you." The letter states that Barfoot will be subject to paying all legal fees and costs in any successful legal proceeding pursued by the homeowner association's board.

Barfoot lives in the Sussex Square community in far western Henrico; its board of directors rejected a plea from Barfoot in July to approve the pole, disallowing the fixture on aesthetic grounds.

There is no provision in the community's rules expressly forbidding flagpoles, Barfoot's daughter said. But she said the board ruled against her father's fixture and ordered it removed in July, deciding that free-standing flag poles are not aesthetically appropriate. Short flag stands attached to porches dot the community.

"Dad sort of feels like this is the end," said Margaret Nicholls, Barfoot's daughter, who lives a few doors away. But she said this morning that she and her husband are attempting to generate support for her father's cause, a flag-raising rite that he has undertaken for most of his life.

Barfoot received the Medal of Honor on the battlefield during World War II in Italy and fought as well in the Korean and Vietnam wars. A portion of a highway in rural Mississippi, his native state, was named in his honor this fall. A building at McGuire Veterans Hospital in Richmond also carries his name.

Barfoot began regularly flying the flag on Veteran's Day this year despite the Sussex Square board's decision.

He said in November that not flying the flag would be a sacrilege to him.

"There's never been a day in my life or a place I've lived in my life that you couldn't fly the American flag," he said.


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"He advanced alone through the minefield, following ditches and depressions, until he came within a few yards of a machine gun on the German flank. After destroying the gun with a hand grenade, he entered the German trench and advanced on a second machine gun, killing two soldiers and capturing three others. When he reached a third gun, the entire crew surrendered. After clearing the area, Barfoot had captured a total of seventeen German soldiers.

When the Germans launched an armored counterattack later in the day, Barfoot disabled one tank with a bazooka, advanced into enemy-held territory, and destroyed an abandoned German artillery piece. He then returned to his own lines and helped two wounded soldiers from his squad to the rear"

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This is a completely and utterly disgraceful move by that county. One thing I despise about this country is the fact that everything those old guys fought for is being stomped on by politically correct types. Flying the flag, how he wants to, to honor his own country that he fought for and they tell him he needs to take it down? f*ck those assholes. And our piss poor government wouldn't deign to allow him to keep it. As a nation, there is no sense of honor and pride in the country we live in anymore. If it weren't for men like him, the world would be completely different. I swear, this country has become disgusting, almost to the point where I can't even defend it anymore.

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had i been born a rich man i would hire my own lawyer to defend this cause. condo/community associations are trash, they try to impose uniformity on a land that you rightly paid with. to even be forced to pay for both legal fees? what happens to a right to defend yourself? is this something only the rich should be able to afford.

i think this vet will see support to defend his cause, someone out there will take notice and do the right thing. i guess americas patriotism is giving way to petty zoning laws. america sucks, thats really the only answer.

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While I myself don't see the US Flag as something that deserves the respect that fanatics say it should (seriously, I'll let it touch the ground and burn it if I want to), I'll agree that the land folks are totally in the wrong. Cheese, since you live so close to the guy, you should be one of the supporters.

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Reading his MOH citation, I say if the man wants to plant a flag pole in his yard he should be left to it. The man's 90 anyway. Let it be.

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He should plant a flagpole in the HOA board's asses. And you know he could do it!

And I will be one of his supporters.

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Glad to know our country has it's priorities straight...

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The man can have a flag, and apparently most in the community have flags, so political correctness is not involved. It is about the communities standards about what is appropriate for that environment and apparently the community he lives in doesn't think the pole is appropriate. If this is just the abuse of one person's power (like a community leader) than I take that back but if his own community does not come to his defense then I think we need more info why that would be before concluding prematurely. Maybe they know something we don't since they unlike us, live next to this guy.

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Well yeah, it definately sounds more about aesthetics of the pole rather than the flag itself, but it's the principal of the thing. I doubt you'd be able to so ceremoniously do the ceremonies of the US flag if it's sitting on a 4-foot rod hanging off the front of your porch. His neighbors probably just use the flags as decoration. To him, it has meaning.

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His neighbors probably just use the flags as decoration. To him, it has meaning.


I'm sure it has meaning to his neighbors too. C'mon.

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Not the same way as him though...

I think only a very few can appriciate and honor the meaning that flag. Who here would actually take the time out of their day to raise and lower a flag... and fold it propperly when you take it down?

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Not the same way as him though...

I think only a very few can appriciate and honor the meaning that flag. Who here would actually take the time out of their day to raise and lower a flag... and fold it propperly when you take it down?


Yeah but it still may be very meaningful to them in their own way so my point is that if we respect this guy so much because he performs a routine ritual with the flag pole lets extend sufficient respect to those who proudly display their flags (without the pole) by not accusing them of using their flags as "decorations".

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Do you know what it means to serve and fight for your nation Bo? Obviously you DON'T. We say that we're patriotic, and those people in that neighborhood can say that, but if called upon, would anyone them stand up and defend this country? I bet you the vast majority of them would not. They'd demand that someone protect them. This man fought for this country and would have died for it. Obviously it has way more meaning to him as he swore to defend the very thing the flag symbolizes. You can put a flag on your house as a little ornament, but it does not require the ceremony of raising and lowering the flag that it does with a flag mast. But why am I even saying this to you? You'll just say something else and try to make it like this guy isn't special and that it should be fair and yadda yadda, corporations and property value and things of that nature. You do not even know what it means to this guy, nor will you ever.

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Why don't you calm down for a minute and tell me where exactly I demonstrate that I don't know what it means to this guy. You don't know the other people in his community any more than I do. Do you? I am trying to show them BOTH respect for their patriotism. And don't assume (as you often do) that the meaning of his ritual eludes me. No one is questioning that he is as patriotic or even more patriotic than anyone in his community. But that doesn't mean that we merely look at them as using flags as decoration or suspect that they have no good reason for disagreeing with him. After all, how many patriotic families are out there that served and maybe have family members that died, respect this man but also don't need to use a flag pole to serve and fight for their nation or show their patriotism? I suspect they would side with this man and yet they don't need to use a flag pole. Are they less patriotic? Maybe it is about showing in a community the need to balance patriotism with things other than patriotism.

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Oh, like property value and money? Give me a break.

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The issue isn't 'patriotism', Hyper, so for once will you just back off of Bo. The issue only becomes patriotism if you start looking for reasons the board should make an exception for this guy, in particular.

However, Bo, I find the idea that anybody who is so offended by a flagpole as to lodge a complaint against it (which is how these communities function, town meeting style), could conceivably hold the Flag in as high a patriotic esteem as somebody who wishes to observe and respect all symbolic rites attached to the Flag, to be more than a bit of a stretch.

Personally, though, let the man fly his damn flag.

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