In response to this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvBKlBhfgPc#Q6sVYVx7z4U

I said:



I got a couple comments from that. I didn't even know until I got an email response (to which I have no desire to reply to):



and this one:



Ahhh. I hadn't gotten a helping of shaming in almost 5 minutes. I was almost worried the feeding tube had gone dry.

Just ignore them.....

Although I could understand where they're coming from, as my mom beat the living shiz out of me almost everyday, and I basically had to take it because she didn't have her [insert illegal drug here] so she would go frigging CRAZY 5150!!!

But, I guess everyone has they're own opinion, and if you ask me, no opinion is a wrong opinion, as it depends on the individual's perspective of things.

Also, my mom was heavily abused by my sister's father,(my stepdad)but she was actually smart enough to finally walk away from it,(it took about seven years to finally get fed up with it)but all in all, she got away from it. I still love my mom and I always will.......shiz happens.

So ya Ixzion, I kinda do agree with you that it is also up to the woman to have the responsibility to walk away from the jerk.

Domestic violence makes me sick. Can't stand it

No opinion is a wrong opinion, but Ixz's makes me laugh.

^Highly quotable statement right there.

The only reason women keep being abused is because they stay. The first time they get hit, they should know to leave.

I don't condone the actions of agressive males, but I can't pitty a women who's too stupid not to leave...

Can't agree more. There is no excuse for domestic violence...but when it's between a man and women, both of who are of age...and the victim doesn't have the intelligence to just move on....then anything after that is their own fault....at least by the fact that they permit the situation in which they can be abused to continue.

I have no pity or remorse for a victim of a repeated offense. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Grow a brain and move on.

The agressors and victims are not thinking clearly.

They either are domintaed by irrational motivation or it has not IMPRESSED their psychological mindset suffciently that their approach to a relationship is unhealthy.

While I do not accept their behavior as postive, I absolutely have sympathy for them both.

I also have sympathy for those spectators above me who have a mindest that fails to understand a victim/aggressor relationship from this point of view.

I wasn't sure if saying anything would really matter, Bo.
The lack of ability to sustain sympathy, compassion, or even a realistic approach to how such a scenario would play out in the mind of a human being made it all seem a rather pointless statement.

I don't understand what you are saying. Whose ability are you referring to and what is the 'it all' that seems 'a rather pointless statement'?

Maybe... Maybe the guy who handed the couple a base ball bat, was simply just saying "here don't fight. Play a game of soft ball."

Unfortunately for the "victim" in this case, I have no sympathy. No tear wells in my eye.

However, anyone else who would like to step into something that is none of their concern (and might end up being the end of them), may whole-heartedly be my guest.

Don't you have sympathy for the victim in that she is not thinking clearly and as such will suffer pain physically.

Pardon my French, but I SURE AS HELL do.

I often at times think you're a horrible man Ixzion. Misogynisism and Feminism are both horrible things in their extremities and regardless of what you think, you're in the extreme. I have nothing more to say.

/shrug

the victim in this particular case is hypothetical.

Ixz's not particularly caring about her is fairly reasonable, imo, though he could possibly try to sound a little less gloating about the whole thing, since it probably doesn't help people keep calm heads.



i think that the question of any of our reactions in the face of more genuine cases of domestic abuse should be left well alone.



i'm kinda wondering if we could drop this whole topic right here?

*chuckles*
I quite agree, Regal.
Though, I am still going to keep talking, I suppose.

We are all welcome to care or not care, in turn, of course, but, apart from that, what I see from the consensus of this thread, and please do correct me if I'm wrong, is that you are demanding perfect clarity of thought and action from a person under considerable duress, which comes from an innumerable variety of factors all pressing down upon her.

I am an asshole, but I am not so foolish as to say that the people who react to me as an asshole should be more logical and disregard me.
They are humans, with emotions that are set to boil by the kind of mannerisms that I possess, and therefore will act illogically.

Whether it be correct or no, Ixz, by this standard you are either a fool or very ignorant of the ways in which humans work.
All the same, it makes me laugh, and after all:
No opinion is a wrong opinion.

Fight the power proudly, Ixzion!

We're behind you.

I am the calmest person in this entire thread. I am used to many people not getting where I am coming from, because it is a rare stance. I do think it scares some people.

I say that if someone is in a relationship with someone else, and they're being abusive, and that person does not leave, then they are very foolish and thus deserve every lash they get. It's called personal responsibility. The #1 innate response to pain is MOVE AWAY FROM PAIN.

Do not get me wrong, I am against legitimite abuse.

And for that matter, there are usually warning signs in the personalities and behaviors where you can tell if a person has a temper or will be a bad person to hang around. Even then, once you find it, just leave.

Unfortunately, many men in real life are willing to put themselves on the line to help someone who should not be helped. And in many cases, these same people are the ones who would shun those hard-working, decent men and end up in these situations in the first place.

I have read countless cases where the decent man gets beat up, stabbed, shot, killed or sent to jail for helping out in a situation that could have been prevented by one person in the relationship taking the responsibility to end the relationship and get to safety/get help.

You will not read about me getting busted up/killed over someone else's relationship. If anyone detected a pride in my words, then they are accurate. I am proud that I won't be Captain Save-a-Ho.

If anyone decides to, it doesn't affect me at all. If I don't, it doesn't affect anyone else. Please don't allow me to dissuade anyone from assuming the role. I'm sure you'll get something out of it.

P.S. This thread is to remain open until I close it.

I rather think we are all quite calm, really.
Well, apart from the occasional slip of French.

On the contraire, I can conceive quite easily of where you are coming from, and am not accustomed to laughing at things which scare me, though to many it must be a very foreign and reactionary concept.

Since you choose to reiterate, I suppose I will as well - to expect a person to react reasonably under such conditions is almost as amusing a statement as the notion that all women who suffer abuse are 'hos' who want the saving you speak of.
Once more on the contraire, many woman are given to hushing the subject and spurning all inquiry or aid.
If you can search the span of your memory I am sure that you will find a time in which your reason was paralyzed by the fear and emotion within you, wracked you with indecision and seized you even from your basest protective instincts.
Even were all such women hos, then I can only wonder at what Christ meant by questioning who could throw the first stone, or why he should have entreated compassion at that occassion.

The thought that you supported abuse never crossed my mind.

All your other statements concerning playing the gallant knight, or how you choose to react to a case of abuse, are quite arbitrary, and there is nothing I could wish to discuss within them.
I think I do have one last statement, however, it being that you do not appear to refer to the entirety of all abuse cases with the specifications you set up around the topic, as hardly all abuse cases fit the sparse and limited criteria of your statements, and so I can only say that, if this is so, you were perhaps better suited in narrowing the generalized focus of your comments to what you are in fact apparently commenting on.

Granted, I haven't actually watched the video, and am more speaking on the basis of what I have heard you say on this topic hitherto this point as well as now.

Since everyone else has gotten to re-establish their points I guess I'll take the opportunity as well. And I'll probably hit a few things along the way.

As I said before, Domestic abuse is never to be condoned. And since a heavy topic is the "Captain Save-a-ho" topic I guess I'll address that here as well. Yes I would more than likely be Captain Save-a-ho. Simply because, I don't care what's going on. I don't care about the situation at all. If someone is being unfairly abused (mentally or physically) I will step in. I've been like that since I was a kid and as Ix has pointed out it's got me into a lot of bad places without and real reward or gratitude. But I don't care. That's the type of person I am. And don't start thinking I just jump to take side. When I step into a situation it's to stop it. And usually both parties get berated by me.

Moving on. Whether I help a person out or not, as I said before, I have no sympathy for someone who repeatedly allows themselves to be harmed. None. What-so-ever.



No.... Not really...actually a person that is mentally handicapped will attempt to remove themselves from situations that cause pain. Look....if you don't see the first time coming...that's all fine and dandy. sh*t happens. But if you don't see the SECOND time.....wait...that's it...right there...that's where they just lost their ability to stand on par with a mentally handicapped person...They allowed a second time to happen.

And don't give me that fear/duress crap. Fear is one of the strongest motivators there is. But that's it...It's just a motivator. That fear is supposed to make you flee for safety...that's how the mechanism works. Not stay and get beaten repeatedly. That's not out of fear...That's out of the fact that you're to stupid to realize that if you go to the cops and he gets put in jail all his threats disappear.

So to conclude, while I will probably step in a do something if I see someone being abused, I'll have no sympathy for you the second time I find out. If I've stepped in to save a someone from an abusive relationship once and they go back, they could be beaten right next to me and I really couldn't care less.