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PostPosted: August 26th, 2013, 2:28 pm 
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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3720479
http://m.complex.com/tech/2013/08/sopa- ... -streaming
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... 3/LMzMVrQF

So it seems as though SOPA is making a return. There is a petition in the third link that you can sign if oppose this. If you don't care, you don't have to.

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PostPosted: August 26th, 2013, 4:59 pm 
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Stop signing petitions. It's pointless.

Start writing to your congressmen. Your senators. Your representatives.

Fewer and fewer young people are voting at all. Tell them that you will not give them your vote unless they do x y z.

That's how you make an impact.

About the actual thing, it's only a proposal and hasn't even seen the light of day in congress yet. Most of the white house likely hadn't even heard of it before the petition was created on WTP. I'd also like to point out that contrary to the title of the article, Obama has about negative a hundred percent to do with the organization that created the proposal.

It's all neckbeards kneejerking this time around.

Edit:: About the petition's uselessness (particularly WTP):

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I think the "We the People" site is fantastic, but not because I ever had any expectation of action being taken as a result of petition results. That would be naive. The value in the site is not as a means of communicating with our government, but rather as a means of citizens communicating with each other.

Consider that the only other means of determining the positions and desires of your fellow private citizens are seriously flawed. Media organizations are skewed by their political and corporate relationships, and the on-line communities, forums, blogs, etc. suffer from too much bandwidth, as I'll explain.

Elections are low-bandwidth: The propositions are set. All you can do is register your support and in some cases your dissent, or choose not to participate. You don't get to change what is being proposed or shift the discussion in any way. You don't get to submit meta discussion about the flaws of the process itself, you are simply in or out, and your only participation is to register one bit. A one or a zero, true or false, agree or disagree. I'm not saying there are no flaws in this system, as I surely know there are, but the signal to noise ratio is low.

The petitions, while completely powerless to change the actions of our government, amount to a low bandwidth public discussion. Having only the option to support or ignore a given petition cuts through the crap that overwhelms most other venues where people can publicly express their opinion. You can't offer an ad hominem attack or straw man argument, you can't even vote against. The proposal is there in black and white visible to all. It is as it is and you can either register your support and be counted by name, or remain silent.

So, the "We the People" site has inadvertently created a forum for citizens to communicate clearly with each other, not with the government. It says "Here is a list, by name, of all your fellow citizens who feel the same as you do about this one issue."

That can be powerful. We are social animals. A large part of whether or not we voice our individual opinions is how we think our opinion will be received by our peers. In effect, "We the People" is a way to look at the people around you and see how many are looking back and nodding.

Ironically, this is also why petitions to close the site are not needed. The White House has surely realized their error in providing clear evidence of the will of the people being ignored, and just as surely want to make it go away, but they can't close the site while everyone is paying attention. What will happen is that the site will be "De-emphasized", people will lose interest and turn to one of the numerous distractions in the political circus. And then one day, anyone still paying attention will hear a quiet one or two sentence press release. "Due to lack of interest"We the People" has been closed as a cost-saving measure."

TLDR: Of course "We the People" as presented is a farce, but it has power completely unintended by it's creators.


It has no track record of altering any government policy, and in design isn't supposed to. Right on the site, in plain and explicit English, the only thing that the site does is garner an official response. It never claimed to be a vein through which policy can be altered.

Responses that are given, at best, look a lot like this:

"Oh, you seem upset about this thing we're doing. We think that's because you didn't understand it. Let us explain it again for you:

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Sincerely,

Gov't."


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PostPosted: August 26th, 2013, 8:34 pm 
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Signed it.

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