Game Informer
Issue 163 page 25



WTF!!! as if 60 bucks for a controller wasn't enough... even if you do buy the ROMs for the Wii... you will STILL have to dish out money for ANOHTER required controller.

Oh, and the "points" for these ROMs are a gay idea.



And BTW... the ROM controller looks ALOT like the Dual-Shock PS2 controller (for those griping about Sony "stealing" the tilt function) only not as comfortable...

....................... What kind of homo-erotic looking controller is that?




(Comment not intended to offend those on the forums whom are Wii fans over the PS3, but, come on ....!)

How about some math...

$250 for the Wii

+$60 for extra controllers (which will be mandatory as most games are multiplayer) x 3 (for all 4 players)

+$20 for the ROM controller (another 20 if they are, indeed, mutliplayer)

= up to $480 (not including any memory cards, games, or two extra ROM controllers)

Seems to me that Nintendo fanboys can't throw a lower price at Sony fans anymore... And it's not just the fact of the price, but the sneaky undernhanded way fo doing it.

Oh, and FYI... PS3 controllers are going for $19.99
And most games aren't multiplayer ANYWAY.

WRONG, my friend. PS3 controllers are $50.
Also...a gamecube controller can be used to play the classic games.

So...let me say this, just to demonstrate a point:

PS3: $600
3 Controllers: $150

Oh, and you say you need extra equipment to promote backward compatibility? Then let's throw that at the PS3, as well! You need a Memory Card adapter for about $20

So you're looking at AT LEAST $770.


Do I really think this way? Of course not. HOWEVER, not providing equal (relative) treatment to the consoles, represents a bias. If you include "extra pricing" in one console, if it applies to the other, you sure as hell better apply that to your calculations.

Seriously, like I'm going to buy all those controllers right off the bat. Bias topic

Careful Lantis you may end up with charts like these http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/19/sony ... costs-700/ . Of course many people would realize the comparison is saying to equal the power of the PS3 (though required was a terrible word choice, and the outright lie about the Wiis service costing money [beside the games and the browser after June 2007 but that's seperate]).

But yeah that is pretty dumb to have to buy another controller to play the games. But if Oblivion is right that the GameCube controllers work I'm in the clear as I already have 3 of those (knew the GameCube would come in handy someday besides being a non portable GBA [kidding of course I do have a couple of good Cube games]). So my Wii will still be 310 (one extra controller) at launch (if my friends want extra controllers they can get a Wii themselves ). Of course I won't be getting any of them at launch, because I like to wait for them to get all the hardware bugs out first. Also the only one I would be able to get is the Wii because of it's low price, and big hope for having innovative gameplay.

And Oblivion there is a $499 version of the PS3, only differences smaller hard drive (20GB instead of 60), no WiFi, and no Memory Stick slots. So really not a huge difference between the two, like the Value 360 and the Premium one. So really the PS3 at base will only be $500. Oh and BTW the memory card transfer device is $15 now. So really I think the Wii and PS3 are the best value for pure System things, though the 360 obviously has a bigger lineup as it has been out longer.

So basically this generation you have the budget system, Wii, and then the two larger ones 360 and PS3.

Bottom line $499 cheapest for PS3, $299 cheapest for 360, and $250 cheapest for Wii. So while it's a better deal to get the $399 360, you don't 'need' it. And all the controllers are a comparable price PS3 - $50, Wii - $40 + $20, 360 - $50 (wireless) $40 (wired). Those are the facts, anything else is just speculation.

And though it does have the dual analog, that controller is clearly modeled after the SNES one. Which to my knowledge was the first controller to have shoulder buttons. One could argue the dual shock evolved from that design (and they are pretty similar), but I think arguing about controller design is dumb anyway. Why can't they look similar, especially if one performs better than the other. And to get technical, XBox totally took their original controller from Dreamcast, but since Sega's dead as a hardware company, no complaints from them.

You are forgetting... all you need is the $499 console to play the games... and PS3 is geared towards single player games such as Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, ect... so who needs multiple controllers?



360? better deal? please... A console is as only as good as it's games... and I'm sorry, but I haven't heard as much as a wisper from the 360 since it's release. That's $299 out the window, buddy.

That money would much be better spend on getting a Wii, if not funding for a PS3.

I meant than buying the Value 360, not better than the other consoles. Because with the Value 360 it's more expensive to upgrade it later to the Premium 360 than to just buy a premium 360.

Dude, you have GOT to be kidding me. Multiplayer is an OPTION, not a requirement. It's just crazy to say that you MUST have all the controllers just to use the Wii. You (as in one person) only need 1 controller to play games on the Wii, too.

Besides, the Wiimote is $40. The nunchuck is $20. It IS possible to play games (almost everything in Wii Sports, at least) with $40.

But, if you want a comparison, let's do it. I'll play it the 499 way for you.

PS3 $500 (the gimped version - no wifi, mem slots)
3 controllers $150
1 Game $60
Total: $710

Oh, what's that? You actually wanted to play your games on an SDTV? HAHAHA! You ain't heard of Dead Rising? Well, if you consider that most people in the entire world DON'T own HDTVs, the price to get into the PS3 goes up. The cheapest HDTV I saw in a Google search was $400. Seeing as I don't have a HDTV of my own (like many other people), tack that 400 on to the PS3.

PS3 Total (non-HDTV needed): $710
Needed: $1,110

Well, how about the Wii?

Wii (not gimped) $250
3 FULL controllers: $180
1 Game: $0
Total: $430

No need for TV cost, since it plays on an SDTV.

So, here's the final stats:

PS3 (gimped) vs Wii
710 - 430 = $280 (difference)
With just the cost to get the PS3 running like the Wii, you could buy TWO Wiis (coming with 2 controllers), 4 additional controllers AND a traditional controller.

But if you need a HDTV...
$1110 - 430 = 680
You could get 3 Wiis and 6 additional full controllers.

First off... who wants to play Mario Kart, Mario Party, or any other mutli player game for the Wii on single player... it's just not the same. I never said you HAVE to have it.

Oh and some games... REQUIRE the nunchuk style controller. And eventually, there will be a mutli player game you want that will have to have it... like it or not.

Oh, and as I said... most PS3 games are SINGLE PLAYER, you have no reason to get 3 more controllers. If anything, you'd need just one, for later Mortal Kombat titles and whatnot.

But dispite what may have been said so far...



And Sony right now has the best titles. (though that may be a personal opinion... but Final Fantasy before Mario titles, sorry)

Well, if you agree that you don't HAVE to have it, don't incorporate it into the costs, then! The games you mention always have single-player modes.

I agree that you'll probably end up needed both pieces, though.

(*feeling caught right in the middle of all this*)

C - Can't we all just get along ....?

NEVAR!!!


But Ix... playing Mario Kart by yourself is like going on a date... by yourself.

I mean, the ONLY reason I played Double Dash by myself was to unlock all the extra characters and carts for the next time my friends were around.

If you were to only get Twilight Princess... yeah, then I would understand. But can you honestly say you would want all the Wii titles without any intention of playing them multi?

I can't. But I can, however, do so with the PS3. Hence why I added the controllers into my calculations.

But for the sake of argument, it is bias for me to not add the same equipment with each product.

...

In the long run: Yes, you do spend more money for the Sony system than you do Nintendo. But you get more bang for your buck, so to speak. Screw HDTV and all that. No one needs fancy bells and whistles, extra gimicks that a computer already does with no problem. I'm just interested in the games. Of which Sony seems to have the upper hand with (personal opinion)

http://buy-wii.net/



Oh, why... Tell me WHY!!!

Official Boxart'd!


Like I said in another topic though, I will have all three systems. I DO see the advantages and disadvantages of all, but right now, I believe I'll enjoy the Wii more than the other two.

I guess what I found was for additional Wii Wheels... (but I think the idea is pretty freaking dumb not matter how you look at it.... free or not)

BTW, that game looks very saga saturn to me... don't know why.

Aha! That's what this thred is all about, eh? You just said so, yourself, Lantis: "For the sake of argument"!

But, you're right, though. I know I'm probably about to be forever insinuated into the PS3 minority that seems to exist on this website, at least in the eyes of Ixzion, Oblivion Wolf, and all the other Wii backers, but, still, I do have to let it be known that that Wii controller wheel or whatever it's called is an even dumber idea than Shaq Fu.

I guess I'll just have to admit to everyone here that, judging almost solely on the arguments I've heard, had I the time and the money to become the owner of a new console, it'd be the PS3 over the Wii and *definitely* over the XBox 360.

... There. That's it. I've said my piece. I am just quietly going to creep away from this thread and descend back to planet Earth just as peachy-keen as ever. DO NOT COME LOOKING FOR ME! ^_^

I have no problem arguing a point.

But the key to debate is not to harbor animosity to your opponents.

The way you say that makes me worry that you're talking about a game that cannot play on standart TVs at all. And if that's the case, that makes me want a PS3 even less. But I'm sure the developers I like won't do that.It's not really much different than the wheels they've had available for consoles since the N64/PS1 war. It's just more portable and lacking in pedals. Although I guess it would be kinda better if the wheel was weighed down to something. And had pedals. ...Okay, actually, I just pictured myself using it. I felt silly. But don't feel bad because you want the PS3. Just don't try to tell us Wii fans that we're wrong in everything we say.


You know, I don't think the GameCube/PS2 war was NEAR as heated as the Wii/PS3 war.

Well I know Dead Rising played on my Standard TV (the Demo anyway) so I kind of doubt it (my TV does have component hookups, but I'm sure it would have played on S-Video or composite). A company would have to be incredibly stupid (and wallowing in dough) to make a game HDTV only. That right there would cut there market by like 4/5. So don't expect any SDTV only games. I really don't like this idea anyway because now console games are becoming more and more like PC games which I think is bad. Requiring you to have minimum reqiurements and such to play the games, and the whole Patch system, which encourages developers to be lazy, and fix bugs later. I mean it's nice to be able to fix things in your games later, but you shouldn't have to, and you only get 20GB of space which will fill up fast with additional levels and such added to games.

So hopefully the console market will stay simple, if I wanted a PC I would just upgrade the ones I have.