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Do you think he should be Impeached?
Yes, he should be Impeached 38%  38%  [ 3 ]
No, He should not be Impeached 63%  63%  [ 5 ]
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PostPosted: September 28th, 2006, 1:56 pm 
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Charges and Evidence:
Impeachment of George W. Bush


ILLEGAL WAR

The memorial goes on to set forth that, George W. Bush has intentionally misled the Congress and the public regarding the threat from Iraq in order to justify a war against Iraq, intentionally conspired with others to defraud the United States in connection with the war against Iraq in violation of Title 18 United States Code, Section 371;

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ILLEGAL SPYING
*Update - Recently Found Guilty by District Court

The memorial goes on to set forth that, George W. Bush has admitted to ordering the National Security Agency to conduct electronic surveillance of American civilians without seeking warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, duly constituted by Congress in 1978, in violation of Title 50 United States Code, Section 1805;

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ILLEGAL BREAKING OF GENEVA CONVENTIONS
*Update -Found Guilty by Supreme Court

The memorial goes on to set forth that, George W. Bush has conspired to commit the torture of prisoners in violation of the "Federal Torture Act" Title 18 United States Code, Section 113C, the UN Torture Convention and the Geneva Convention, which under Article VI of the Constitution are part of the "supreme Law of the Land";


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ILLEGAL DETENTION
*Update - Found Guilty by District Court

The memorial goes on to set forth that, George W. Bush has acted to strip Americans of their constitutional rights by ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to legal counsel, without charge and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the President of a U.S. citizen as an "enemy combatant", all in subversion of law;

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ILLEGAL RELEASE OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION

The memorial goes on to set forth that, George W. Bush authorized the leaking classified national secrets to further a political agenda, exposing an unknown number of covert U. S. intelligence agents to potential harm and retribution while simultaneously refusing to investigate the matter;


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This was taken from a websight. You can Do it your self "Impeach bush"
The sight can also tell you where to go for a rally near you!

In the city I live in theres signs alover the place about this.
Heres the website for it.

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This is an ethical debacle.
Though, I dare not assume the ethics in impeaching our fine figurehead are unfounded, I'd like to point out the ethics of the alternative.
Cheney is a cunning mixture of the president's lack of scruple and an intellect that brings the melange to something almost frightening.
Who's to say Cheyney isn't running the show now, I suppose.
Who's to say what form of show Cheney would be willing and newly able to run were he given the presidency, however.
Keep Bush where he is.

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I want Bush impeached. Nuff said.

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PostPosted: September 28th, 2006, 4:17 pm 
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Didn't this guy say he was a Christian before he was elected?

Ah well, I don't see this happening. Didn't work with Clinton. But looking back, Clinton wasn't really all that bad, I don't think. Though I didn't pay much attention to politics (never have), so I could be wrong. Not like Clinton could've run again, anyway.

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you can edit posts to say stuff like that ^_^ most people do.

though i guess you probably already know that XD

im just being useless once again, really.


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.... Personally I think we should just impeach the United States but maybe I'm just being humourous. Who knows.

Think Progress - for anyone interested.

Speaking of Clinton - Clinton vs. Faux News - he isn't a bad guy. At least he can admit he isn't perfect.

Bush or Cheney, pick your poisen it seems like. I can't say the Prime Minister of Canada is that great either. An e-mail forward went around during our election saying "If Harper and Martin both lost most people would be happy."

But sometimes I wonder if even Bush knows what he is doing or what his motives are. *sigh*

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Precisely.
I believe that, given his potential mental failings which we need focus on not at all by this time, he is a generally decent person who is both a pawn and a patriot. He probably is manipulative and money hungry, but only because he's being counseled by people who are. In general I think Bush should never have been elected, as is obvious, but now that he is I shudder at the thought of putting a political tactician such as Cheney at the helm.

Cheney is one of the most intelligent and, as can be observed through his self-propagating subversion, conniving individuals in modern politics.
I believe it best to weather the storm.

As far as impeaching the US in a less cynical sense I agree.
The U.S. needs to return to its neutral roots (i.e. withdrawing from all militant views and focusing on self-support).

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The U.S. needs to return to its neutral roots (i.e. withdrawing from all militant views and focusing on self-support).


Heh, but that would make it more of a Canada than a USA!! =P

The militant, arrogant, control-the-world, better-than-the-rest-of-you, views are what the USA is known for around the world. It's the USA stereotype at any rate. Obviously enough no country completely fits it's stereotype.

If your definition of self-support includes cleaning up it's own problems before trying to fix other countries then I completely agree though. When the USA became a country, it was more of a self-support thing. Not being tied to anyone but themselves and as far as I remember from Social Studies the idea was to become a great nation - but nowadays it seems like the states is very focused outside of itself. Not that I have any authority on the subject, it just seems that way sometimes.

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iunno.

after all, we do drink a lot of tea and keep a stiff upper lip.


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Yes, with one of Washington's many precedents, the U.S. was withdrawn so hugely that we neglected to even give aid in some circumstances (ex. french revolution). We were centered around Manifest Destiny and border expansion in our own territories and with (though I can't fail to mention the Native Americans in opposition to this generalization) largely peaceful and lucrative means.
With WWI and the League of Nations we became essentially a world power for the first time, as we were largely productive and not shattered by the constant squabbling of Europe, but when we began to propose the order of the civillized world, and people began to follow, then we start to see the fruits of focusing on your own production: Being a sound nation.

We had cash at that time, and others didn't.
We had manpower, others didn't.
And so we begin to see the Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm endeavors arising.
Things that weren't essential to us, yet we seemed to think needed to be done.
Being a capitalist society we innately support the cashflow concept of security: With Money Comes Strength. Since we had become productive, since we had become a world trading industry, we no longer saw the need to look in as much. This transfers to today, naturally, only now there truly our cracks in the dam that need more than a stick of Big Red.
We are a rather rich culture by almost any and all standards, no matter how many hobos and indigent individuals you can raise in opposition, it's the people gripping the reins who're relevant: And they have quite a bit of money, meaning only a precious few actually recognize the need to escape the literal peril we've backed ourselves into.
If we're to regain any respect we need to take our hand out of the cookie jar and start fixing the leaks in our teapot.
Why bother with other nations?
We obviously have no problem leaving Sudan and the Congo to civil war, tyranny, and genocide; why should we care about one are of the world if we're to ignore another?
We need to take off the oil suit and look at how we can begin solidifying ourselves. Look at how many problems countries without this mass spread of affairs have, Britain, France, Canada. A nation has its problems, and the advantage of these nations is that they aren't worried about each others.

We just need to stop supplying the reasons to hate us, and even, *gasp*, find something that might help them without helping us beyond the raising of their opinions. We must move forward with tact, walk the Middle Way.
There's my tirade for the month.

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Yes, we do have our own problems to deal with. I agree. However, impeaching the president will neither lead to quick solutions in Iraq nor solve our domestic problems. I won't be lining up with people on Oct 5th. Bush should not be impeached. Whether we don't agree with some (or all) of the decisions that he's made, he should be supported for now. If anyone wants to changes in the leadership, well that's why our presidents stay in office for just four years at a time. There will be plenty of opportunities for change and political posturing as 2008 approaches, which seems to be just around the corner.

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I'm very open minded to any idea. Either way its a bad choice. Keeping to the war the way we are going now we are losing lots of money and lives.
If we don't keep to the war we will look like cowards.
It really does not matter. The people from Iraq are going to still hate us no matter what we do. But I guess I can lean more tords the Impeach because of the money. We can just save the money we have and still be hated. Then spend the money and still be hated.

Also Pagerron has apoint. Again it really does not matter. Bush wont be around much longer anyway even if he does not get Impeached. Come 08. Who knows how many more mustakes he will make by then too. :/

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