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PostPosted: May 4th, 2006, 1:28 am 
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By FIONA MACRAE, Daily Mail 08:40am 3rd May 2006


For decades hormones have been blamed for the monthly female ordeal of PMS. Now it seems that men are just as much to blame.

Scientists believe all women suffer the bodily changes that cause the mood swings, lethargy and pain of premenstrual syndrome. But some handle it better than others - thanks to the men in their lives.

Are men to blame for making PMS worse? Have your say in reader comments below

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Lack of compassion can lead to women becoming angry and argumentative or withdrawn before their period

Caring partners can help ease the symptoms, but unsympathetic men make matters worse.

Lack of compassion can lead to women becoming angry and argumentative or withdrawn and depressed in the days before their period, a University of Leicester psychology conference will hear.

Professor Jane Ussher said: "Women who get the symptoms are biologically no different to women who don't.

"What actually causes the symptoms is a combination of factors - what's happening in your body and what's happening in the environment.

"Men certainly play a significant role in PMS and can play a very significant role in women's depression and anger at that time of the cycle."

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Similarly, the pressures of juggling work and family life can also lead to women snapping in the days before their period, said the University of Western Sydney psychologist.

"A classic case of PMS is a woman who's working full-time, looking after everyone at home, shopping after work, picking up the kids from school, finding very little space for herself.

"Women are able to keep up this superwoman performance three weeks a month, but, premenstrually, they are not able or willing to do it any more.

"They either withdraw and feel depressed or they can become very angry with the family. I would say it isn't biological - it's to do with what's happening in the family and the relationship."

Professor Ussher backed up her theory by comparing the severity of symptoms suffered by British and Australian women in heterosexual couples and those in lesbian relationships. The study showed that women in lesbian relationships are less blighted by PMS.

The professor told ABC News in Australia: "The way we are interpreting it is that other women are more understanding about premenstrual changes because they often get them themselves.

"So women are less judgmental of it, whereas male partners are much more likely to blame the woman. If you're a premenstrual woman with a woman partner, your partner is more likely to say, 'Put your feet up, go and have a bath, don't worry about what you've got to do today'."

Male partners, in contrast, don't know how to handle the condition. "They feel confused, they feel whatever they say is wrong," said Professor Ussher. "A lot of them just don't understand how it can be happening. Some feel quite helpless."

Around 80 per cent of British women suffer from PMS, experiencing symptoms such as tiredness, irritability and cravings for sugary foods.


This is great! Hey women, you no longer have to blame yourself for something that's men's fault! WOMEN POWER FOREVER!

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Ummm so what if the woman has pms if she has a female partner? How much money did the scientist get for coming up with this and why should we pay them to do so? No offence but I think this was written by someone who's been hurt by some men in their life. Well they shouldn't choose the wrong ones to date anyway.


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This is some bullsh**.

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It is but this doesn't necessarily make it true. You would have to try every person to make this true.


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Women always blame men for ridiculous things. Just get over it and stop trying to be the dominant force in the world.

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This article's... well it's crazy. Hell Hunter made a great point - Ummm so what if the woman has pms if she has a female partner? Great insight there.

This [article] is just another feminist agenda trying to pass off blame onto men. Look, feminists, stop blaming men for every single problem in the world - you're not golden gods.

Men have problems, women have problems.

And to pass off PMS troubles as simply being an act of man has nothing to do with it. What about a teenager who's not married? If she PMS', is it a man's fault for the way she acts? Or perhaps if she doesn't have a father, what then? What if she lives by herself? This is a cruel assumption to say that men are responsible for the way women act during their time of month. I'm sure in certain cases their is an interrelation, but that very interralation that applies here can be co-related to every other case (such as a women during her time of month getting chased by a dog - she'll feel much worst).

It's funny, because after all of the "men and women are equal" issue going on (which is good), the feminists are still ready and willing to place all of their blame of the world on men. Sounds like they're trying to tilt the man-woman scale in their favor.

And as for the scientists that work on autonomy and psychology, it sounds like all they're trying to do is justify their existence. They haven't made any miraculous discovery in a long time. In fact, the only wonderful studies lately have been coming out of the medical and chemistry fields.


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I tried to listen to the link again, but you tube said the whole thing was removed due to copyright infringement.

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This article's... well it's crazy. Hell Hunter made a great point - Ummm so what if the woman has pms if she has a female partner? Great insight there.

This [article] is just another feminist agenda trying to pass off blame onto men. Look, feminists, stop blaming men for every single problem in the world - you're not golden gods.

Men have problems, women have problems.

And to pass off PMS troubles as simply being an act of man has nothing to do with it. What about a teenager who's not married? If she PMS', is it a man's fault for the way she acts? Or perhaps if she doesn't have a father, what then? What if she lives by herself? This is a cruel assumption to say that men are responsible for the way women act during their time of month. I'm sure in certain cases their is an interrelation, but that very interralation that applies here can be co-related to every other case (such as a women during her time of month getting chased by a dog - she'll feel much worst).

It's funny, because after all of the "men and women are equal" issue going on (which is good), the feminists are still ready and willing to place all of their blame of the world on men. Sounds like they're trying to tilt the man-woman scale in their favor.

And as for the scientists that work on autonomy and psychology, it sounds like all they're trying to do is justify their existence. They haven't made any miraculous discovery in a long time. In fact, the only wonderful studies lately have been coming out of the medical and chemistry fields.


Great posts and insight from both you and Hell Hunter! You see, if a woman has a female partner, then it's obviously caused by men they see in passing or converse with every day at work. :rolleyes

I absolutely agree with you on the point of blaming their actions on PMS. That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard of. What if I had a stark erection and the sex drive of a rabbit? If I ran out and sexed up the next girl I saw, I'd be a rapist. I couldn't blame it on "being uncontrollably horny". I'd get thrown in jail. Yet a lot of women will cuss you out, act inexcusably rude, and then blame it on PMS? I'm not buying. If we are all equals, and responsible for our own actions, then PMS or not, women who use that excuse should be held accountable and given no quarter for such actions.

Or we could excuse them because they have PMS. However, at the same time, we would be acknowledging that those women need special allowances made for them. But, that would mean that they are not equal to everyone else. Should those people be allowed to proclaim themselves to be equal to someone like you or me when clearly they need allowances made?

The bolded part of your post is one of the best points I've ever seen. And it's almost correct. But here's the thing I've come to understand: Feminists don't care about men NOR women! We're both just pawns to be played off one another in their sadistic games. Feminists play on the hopes, dreams, and fears of multitudes weak women and men and have been doing it for years. Feminists spread dirty lies (such as domestic violence is worst during Super Bowl Sunday, which was disproven in Time Magazine), half-truths, and slander. And if you go against them, you get branded a misogynist or a lesbian by damn-near everyone who can't see through the deception.

Oh, here's a funny little story to cap this off. Maureen Dowd, feminist and author of the book "Are Men Necessary", in her newspaper column, lamented the fact that she can't find any men who want to go out with her. I can't help but think that all feminists just do stupid sh*t first and then are bewildered themselves, alone, by the reactions of their actions.

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^ rofl

Great post, and the last paragraph was hilarious.

Yep, the feminists are a problem. Don't get me wrong, this has nothing to do with women in general. In fact, at first some of the feminist activity was good, much like the women obtaining their equal rights which was very necessary.

But what had once been a great thing has turned into a very not-so-great thing. Sadly, feminists have degraded to feminism. What was originally an attempt for women to obtain equal rights with men has, in the hands of the modern-day feminists, become an attempt to place women over men.

And it's very true what you said, the modern-day feminist movement is against men and against weak women -- it's gone on further than what it should have been to the point that the feminists are blaming men for every problem in the world, cutting down the quote/unquote "weak" women who do not feel the need to act - and in return the feminists have transcended themselves. In fact, the book "Are men necessary" that you mentioned is a sure sign of the sad act of feminism these feminists are engaged in -- it's gone too far to where they wish to exclude men alltogether and dominate using feminine superiority as opposed to an equal dominance.


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